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**brighton hippy** · 23-06-2009, 07:44

The french have a quite militant historical secularism we are still notionally attached to the notion of a sky pixie.
so a bit harder to crack down on the "religion of peace"
also the majority of our Muslims come from backwardfuckistan in the mountains of Pakistan intolerant cousin marrying yokels so not a perfect place from which to start

**ABrighter2006** · 23-06-2009, 08:04

Great post CRMCR.

Some good points and food for thought.

**stumble** · 23-06-2009, 08:18

I found this very intresting comment by a british Asian Gentleman

Imran, London
I think most British Asian guys want their future wives to be virgins because physically they want to marry a woman whose untouched and pure because physically the woman's hymen is broken but when a man loses his virginity nothing physically changes on him so its more importan tasian guys would hate to get married to "used goods" as they say.

link

I am lost for words

**Kitmarlowe** · 23-06-2009, 08:21

Valid point Brighton Hippy.... The French had been very hard on separating State and Religion, since at least the French Revolution. I'd expect a ban on wearing the Burqa in a "State" context, similar to the current ban on the burqa in State schools. I'd expect that ban to be spread, banning the burqa in any "State" building. It's clever, it doesn't ban the burqa outright, but if you want to take advantage of anything the French State provides, you have to either a)Not claim or b)Not wear.

**Speedy** · 23-06-2009, 08:23

Also if I'm a Muslim extremist living in France and looking to recruit, this announcement makes me happy.

It's a bit ironic, is it not that the very people being made to wear this garb are not the ones getting 'extreme'. Its a bit like getting a working class guy from the 50's complaining that their wives no longer scrub the steps, get tea on the table for when they get home and that they are allowed to think for themselves. Then using it as an excuse to kill people. My wife is a former psychologist and used to support a group of Asian ladies deemed to be at risk. For the most part they were house bound and had every part of their lives dictated to by their husbands, including what they wore, where they could go and just who they could talk too. And has been noted earlier, they were, for the most part, from rural areas of Pakistan\Bangladesh, and got to enjoy non of the freedoms we take for granted, and have fought long and hard for. Their husbands on the other hand were 2nd, 3rd generation UK Asians, availed themselves to the pleasantries that the 21st century UK offers but offered their spouses non of these. The most telling thing she noticed was that when veiled they all seemed to repeat the mantra about how the veil gave them confidence and 'empowered' them. This is actually quite the opposite of having confidence, having to hide your face from others to communicate with them, or being unable to face anyone not a woman or outside of your family without first hiding yourself.
I sort of agree with the decision being taken in France, but it should take into account that wearing a veil\headscarf should be a personal choice taken by an individual that has the freedom to not wear it should they choose. Perhaps banning the wearing of veils until the child is deemed to be an adult (not sure what age this is in France) and then any decision to wear is then the individuals choice and not one fostered on them by their parents 'culture' and vague religious interpretation.

**heard_it_all_before** · 23-06-2009, 08:30

There is also a tad of hypocrisy about the whole thing. You always see Asian men dressed in western clothes and hanging around in bars and driving big cars, all of which I would imagine are the indulgences of the infidel. But the women are also normally dressed in traditional robes.

Any religious group that is tightly wrapped up in it's own so called beliefs are normally so far in that they just can't see anything other than their own beliefs and everyone else is always wrong.

Each to there own. But I suppose that at least the Muslim's don't come knocking on your front door trying to get you to install a Watch-Tower in your back yard. I mean, where the feck are you meant to put one of them...! :D

**drain_sniffer** · 23-06-2009, 08:33

Originally Posted by Britisharmy187

Good . Im fed up of seeing women in Burqas on britains streets
1.Its not british or apart of our culture
2.You cant see who they are.. they could be anybody.

And in my opinion britain should follow france's foot steps
Viva La france
Viva la Anglais
Viva La liberty

This post made I laugh.... Viva La Liberty he says...as long as it conforms to your standards though eh?

**uncle_vanya** · 23-06-2009, 08:36

Dang and blast it!! That means when I nip to Boulogne on Holiday I won't be able to go shop lifting for booze and ciggies in the local stores.....

Dam it I will have to shave off my beard as well.... no more appearing in Freak shows as the 'Bearded Cnut..' I mean 'Bearded Lady...!!

**Kitmarlowe** · 23-06-2009, 08:56

Originally Posted by drain_sniffer

Originally Posted by Britisharmy187

Good . Im fed up of seeing women in Burqas on britains streets
1.Its not british or apart of our culture
2.You cant see who they are.. they could be anybody.

And in my opinion britain should follow france's foot steps
Viva La france
Viva la Anglais
Viva La liberty

This post made I laugh.... Viva La Liberty he says...as long as it conforms to your standards though eh?