The BNP will gain further success because the mainstream parties have no idea on how to approach the issue of mass immigration. Labour are on the whole in support of mass immigration and Cameron doesn't want the tories to be labelled the "nasty" party again.

All the politicians come from the same political class and have completely neglected the views and opinions of the white working class. That arrogant attitude may just come and bite them on the backside because I think the BNP will grow stronger and stronger on the back of this result.

http://bnp.org.uk/2009/06/bnp-leader...gion%E2%80%99/

Apparently the RBL are exploiting British Soldiers...

"“I will be delighted to stop wearing a poppy badge except near Remembrance Day the moment that the Royal British Legion and the authorities stop the disgraceful treatment and exploitation of our soldiers at Selly Oak,” Mr Griffin said, adding that he “fully accepts that amongst those who have made sacrifices for this country in our armed forces, especially during current conflicts, are servicemen and women from the ethnic minorities. My stance is as much on their behalf as it is for their indigenous British comrades,” he said."

Mr Griffin said that he had been asked to raise the issue of the disgraceful treatment of British soldiers in Selly Oak by a volunteer organisation which “provides basic essentials including mobile phones, chocolates, toothpaste and pyjamas to seriously injured lads and young men who are dumped in Selly Oak wearing only the bloodstained uniforms in which they have been brought home from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Anybody really believe that?

Originally Posted by Markintime

It has not been my experience that racial minorities are treated any different in the Army or in civvy street. Certainly if you look at criminal conviction there seems to be an imbalance in favour of white people.

Well that not my experience in the army now. (it was when I first joined up)

Originally Posted by Markintime

perhaps they were doing it out of genuine compassion but if they are paid the same as you then there is no reason to treat them differently. Might I suggest that you write your letter to your relatives abroad (I assume you do actually have some) and take it to the PRI officer and ask him to put a stamp on it? If he refuses then you have the right to ask him why you are being treated differently to your colleagues.]

It wasn't me, it was several other soldiers and yes they did ask and they were told it was because they were British they were not entitled (RAO words). What a great way to show how intergrated we are.

Originally Posted by Markintime

It sounds as if your whinging man was a complete and utter throbber but it also sounds as if he didn't get away with anything. Did you ever think to ask one of the other black lads to take him under his wing? It might have helped.

He did indeed get away with things because people were wary about approching him and him playing the race card again. He wasn't alone in doing it. It wasn't so much that he was doing it, t was more the fact the army refused to do anything about it.

Originally Posted by Markintime

Christians are just as guilty as anyone else at being selective about what doctrine they adopt. I know of plenty of churchgoers who have had time off to attend church and a few that have demanded it only because there was work to be done, they would still tuck in to meat on a Friday though and drink and play games on the Sabbath etc. It's also perfectly possible that people find their religion after they have joined the Army, not impossible. I'm also reminded of a Mormon we had who was found with tons of compo in the cellar of his MQ. He got away with it for a number of reasons about provenance etc but the main reason was fear of the religious aspects of his religion hoarding for Armageddon. In the end the compo was taken back and he was given a dressing down but nothing more, so it clearly isn't just ethnic minorities who pull the religion card is it? Why should Muslims have to be fundamentalist but not Christians, do you demand that all Catholics follow every aspect of their religion, or even remark upon it if they don't?

I don't see Christians getting time of work to go to church in my unit(not that they should anyway) in my unit. NO-ONE should be treated differently, but Muslims (and other minorities do) certainly do. It didn't matter that Christians stagged on over Christmas (quite right as well) but it did matter that the Muslims were working over their religious period (Nev or eve or something like that).
Think about this two toms are both working one non muslim and and a muslim, the Muslim disaapears 3 time during the working day to pray while the other soldier continues, Is this fair? Why can't the other soldier get a break at the same time? When I asked this as I thought the other soldier needed a rest I was told because hes not a Muslim.
Then people wonder why that soldier gets the hump with Muslims.

Originally Posted by stacker1

Think about this two toms are both working one non muslim and and a muslim, the Muslim disaapears 3 time during the working day to pray while the other soldier continues, Is this fair? Why can't the other soldier get a break at the same time? When I asked this as I thought the other soldier needed a rest I was told because hes not a Muslim.
Then people wonder why that soldier gets the hump with Muslims.

So it's not the managements fault, but the guy who has been given the time off?

Although I bet if the management were Muslim, then you blame them?

Do you really not see where you are going wrong? You blame the individuals, and mass-label them all too, when most of the issues you raise appear to result from your management.

Although do you think the non-Muslim soldier would have been happier if the Muslim wasn't in the army, and had to do all of the work alone?

Originally Posted by stacker1

Think about this two toms are both working one non muslim and and a muslim, the Muslim disaapears 3 time during the working day to pray while the other soldier continues, Is this fair? Why can't the other soldier get a break at the same time? When I asked this as I thought the other soldier needed a rest I was told because hes not a Muslim.
Then people wonder why that soldier gets the hump with Muslims.

Personally I have no problem with this. I rarely feel sorry for the non-smokers while I stand around doing nothing on each of my 20 or so fag breaks each day, if they want to have fag breaks then they can man up and start smoking. In a similar vein, if people want time off to pray three times a day there is nothing stopping them changing religion to muslim is there?

Originally Posted by Markintime

Originally Posted by All_I_Want

I think we may be further apart than you think, I want out of the EU, if they want us in an EEC then we can address that if it comes up. The whole immigration issue stems from the EU, well there is a bit further afield as well but this needs addressing differently.

I have a great deal of issues about the intrusiveness of the EU but I don't think that the BNP will withdraw from Europe despite what they say. I'm not even sure it's possible to withdraw now.

As I said before, I don't think they will be worrying too much about UKIP, they know the voters will come back come a GE, as has been said by a fair few on these boards incidentally.


How can anyone be certain of that, there appears to be a lot of widespread disaffection with the main parties and even if they do come back which party will they support, it may not be Labour so Labour have to worry about that and equally the other two parties.

Do you seriously believe that the BNP have any chance whatsoever of getting more than 1 or 2 at the most MP's? I know how much the BNP are vilified everywhere, it is not going to happen, I would be VERY surprised if they got one, and there is no way that any party would "do a deal" with them, they would rather go with the monster raving loonies (probably no change actually they could all probably join this anyway).
BNP membership is growing if it continues to grow and if they to bury deeper their more extreme policies then it may well continue to grow. There appears to be a growth in extreme nationalist parties all over the EU so nothing is guaranteed, especially if the current depression continues longer than foreseen.

Yes but the Banladeshi community may get a bus and so may a few other minorities but if it is funded by the taxpayers then EVERY community should get their fair share of the pot, or do you only get it if, what?

As I pointed out most communities do get their fair share. Pensioners get buses and bus passes, so do the disabled and the mentally ill, youth groups and religious groups get them as well but a lot of people seem to ignore that and just concentrate on the Bangladeshi one.

Anyway MIT, I have stated why I voted BNP and if nothing changes I will be voting BNP at the GE too, but to say that the BNP will not withdraw from the EU despite what they say, how do you come to this, it seems you are taking some of what they say at face value (all the bad bits) and then saying that some of the other bits they wont do, you cant have it both ways.

Originally Posted by stacker1

Think about this two toms are both working one non muslim and and a muslim, the Muslim disaapears 3 time during the working day to pray while the other soldier continues, Is this fair? Why can't the other soldier get a break at the same time?

You could say the same about smokers disappearing fifteen times a day. Or the regimental boxing/football/rugby/tug of war/Lanyard Trophy/whatever team never being in work. Or the gapped posts when people are attached to the White Helmets.

Originally Posted by amazing__lobster

So it's not the managements fault, but the guy who has been given the time off?

Although I bet if the management were Muslim, then you blame them?

Do you really not see where you are going wrong? You blame the individuals, and mass-label them all too, when most of the issues you raise appear to result from your management.

Err yes I'd say it was the managements fault. If the Management was Muslim yes I would blame them.
The individuals would be easy to deal with if people were not so scared of being called prejudice.
These are the work rules EVERYONE will obey them if you think you can't sod off and get a job elsewhere. (that applys to everyone)

Originally Posted by amazing__lobster

Although do you think the non-Muslim soldier would have been happier if the Muslim wasn't in the army, and had to do all of the work alone?

By that argument would people be happy if I turned up and helped them for 1/2 a day rather than them working alone?

Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate

Originally Posted by stacker1

Think about this two toms are both working one non muslim and and a muslim, the Muslim disaapears 3 time during the working day to pray while the other soldier continues, Is this fair? Why can't the other soldier get a break at the same time?

You could say the same about smokers disappearing fifteen times a day. Or the regimental boxing/football/rugby/tug of war/Lanyard Trophy/whatever team never being in work. Or the gapped posts when people are attached to the White Helmets.

Is that based on faith? If you want to join a sports team crack on and take the pros and the cons. Not chose when you want time off (ie when there a load of work on (funny how the lad never went for his prayers when there was little work to do)) yet chose to get pissed down the bar which I believe Allah frowns upon.

Originally Posted by stacker1

If you want to join a sports team crack on and take the pros and the cons.

You want to get off work three times a day for prayers? You know what to do.