Originally Posted by Markintime

Bugger me, Biscuits_AB what a good post.
The greatest benefit will be if the main parties actually look deeply at themselves and what they have to offer and adapt their policies appropriately to ensure that there isn't a swing towards the ultra right. Parties who build a political platform on uniting to blame a section of society for all its ills have, historically, been responsible for some of the worst acts ever carried out.

And there my friend lies the problem. Brown is a busted flush and ought to go as he and his Party no longer have any workable mandate. However the only calculations going on in the Labour Party at present are how to save themselves individually and as a Party - but these aims are not mutually inclusive.

By relying on the application of a combination of -isms, -phobias, bullying by unelected people such as the odious McBride and the equally odious Campbell since 1997 they have vilified any opposition to their ideas.

It is a good tactic when it works but when (as it always will) the House of Cards starts to fall many of the Policies are exposed for what they are - veneer and the pet projects of Cabinet Members.

What the mainstream have overlooked is that people are now looking at politicians in a very different light. We've always suspected that they never truly represented their constituents and in many cases has now been proven, hence the bloody noses. Lining their pockets whilst decent tax payers are losing their homes, jobs and dignity? Some of these politicians have proven themselves to be nothing more than self promoting, money grabbing vermin. Swift decisive action was needed, but as this has never been forthcoming, they are now seen by us as protecting the unprotectable. They are hoping that this will all die away and the we will return to the fold in due course, but they may be very disappointed if they still believe that we are nothing more than sheep. The cat's out of the bag fella's and we can now prove that our suspicions were right all along. To top all of this, some of the population has made it's feelings felt by voting for extremists and the mainstream still consider the populus to be stupid by complaining that those votes were wasted? Why were they wasted? Will BNP tell us lies? What, a bit like Labour & the Tories have done for decades? Or were those different types of lies? Like Iraq has WMDs for instance?

Westminster is going to have to work very hard and the spotlight should always be upon them. Westminster needs to be very transparent and a damn sight more accountable than it has been and if it fails to agree, then the population should repay that contempt as it has done this last week and it should continue to do so until we, the population get what we want, not what they want. They work for us. They should bloody well remember that.

Originally Posted by scousadan

Originally Posted by Markintime

Bugger me, Biscuits_AB what a good post.
The greatest benefit will be if the main parties actually look deeply at themselves and what they have to offer and adapt their policies appropriately to ensure that there isn't a swing towards the ultra right. Parties who build a political platform on uniting to blame a section of society for all its ills have, historically, been responsible for some of the worst acts ever carried out.

Exactly what I was thinking. The Tories are going to want to capitalise on these fringe party votes, By bringing out some watered down right wing policies. If one good thing has come out of this, it's that the main parties have had a serious shock and the public won't put up with there sh1t anymore.

They have to water it down, we are after all taking about a minority who voted BNP. Pandering to that minority risks alienating a portion of the majority they already have.

At the end of the day it is not representative of how a general election would go, and UK gov is what really impacts people - most of those supporting UKIP/BNP in this election do not think they could govern UK. I also think the Limp dibs would do rather well in a general election compared to the EU one.
I think we have to get our own house in order first, before worrying too much about the EU parliment.

Originally Posted by Iolis

Like the single BNP Councillor on Lancashire County Council, it is going to be extremely difficult to find anyone on the Council who will want to speak to her or be in any way tainted by association with her. She will be totally sidelined by officials whose cooperation she needs, shunned and ignored by the Public sector unions. She will find it difficult to retain let alone recruit office staff who would rather not have their CVs tainted as having been employed by an elected Nazi!

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exactly NOT what you want to happen. A media smart BNP could make hay in abundance form such behaviour. The Public would only too keen and eager to believe any allegation about corrupt behaviour in local poiltics. Any Union that refuses to work with an elected offical could find itself in the poo, legally that is....

Originally Posted by Alsacien

Originally Posted by scousadan

Originally Posted by Markintime

Bugger me, Biscuits_AB what a good post.
The greatest benefit will be if the main parties actually look deeply at themselves and what they have to offer and adapt their policies appropriately to ensure that there isn't a swing towards the ultra right. Parties who build a political platform on uniting to blame a section of society for all its ills have, historically, been responsible for some of the worst acts ever carried out.

Exactly what I was thinking. The Tories are going to want to capitalise on these fringe party votes, By bringing out some watered down right wing policies. If one good thing has come out of this, it's that the main parties have had a serious shock and the public won't put up with there sh1t anymore.

They have to water it down, we are after all taking about a minority who voted BNP. Pandering to that minority risks alienating a portion of the majority they already have.

At the end of the day it is not representative of how a general election would go, and UK gov is what really impacts people - most of those supporting UKIP/BNP in this election do not think they could govern UK. I also think the Limp dibs would do rather well in a general election compared to the EU one.
I think we have to get our own house in order first, before worrying too much about the EU parliment.

Watered down being the key phrase, watered down like free church orange cordial.
If the Tories can assure the public that they'll sort out the immigration problem and the EU concerns aswell as the current economic crises, then the majority of fed up first time BNP voters have got no reason to waste another vote come the general elections.

Originally Posted by Kitmarlowe

Originally Posted by Iolis

Like the single BNP Councillor on Lancashire County Council, it is going to be extremely difficult to find anyone on the Council who will want to speak to her or be in any way tainted by association with her. She will be totally sidelined by officials whose cooperation she needs, shunned and ignored by the Public sector unions. She will find it difficult to retain let alone recruit office staff who would rather not have their CVs tainted as having been employed by an elected Nazi!

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exactly NOT what you want to happen. A media smart BNP could make hay in abundance form such behaviour. The Public would only too keen and eager to believe any allegation about corrupt behaviour in local poiltics. Any Union that refuses to work with an elected offical could find itself in the poo, legally that is....

The Front National in France had 3 seats I think last time round and its done nothing for them. As you say, nobody wants to risk association with an extreme MEP group, more to lose than to gain. With the shift right of center in this new EU parliment, these people are irrelevant IMO.

Originally Posted by Biscuits_AB

What the mainstream have overlooked is that people are now looking at politicians in a very different light. We've always suspected that they never truly represented their constituents and in many cases has now been proven, hence the bloody noses. Lining their pockets whilst decent tax payers are losing their homes, jobs and dignity? Some of these politicians have proven themselves to be nothing more than self promoting, money grabbing vermin. Swift decisive action was needed, but as this has never been forthcoming, they are now seen by us as protecting the unprotectable. They are hoping that this will all die away and the we will return to the fold in due course, but they may be very disappointed if they still believe that we are nothing more than sheep. The cat's out of the bag fella's and we can now prove that our suspicions were right all along. To top all of this, some of the population has made it's feelings felt by voting for extremists and the mainstream still consider the populus to be stupid by complaining that those votes were wasted? Why were they wasted? Will BNP tell us lies? What, a bit like Labour & the Tories have done for decades? Or were those different types of lies? Like Iraq has WMDs for instance?

Westminster is going to have to work very hard and the spotlight should always be upon them. Westminster needs to be very transparent and a damn sight more accountable than it has been and if it fails to agree, then the population should repay that contempt as it has done this last week and it should continue to do so until we, the population get what we want, not what they want. They work for us. They should bloody well remember that.

Very well put Biscuits_AB.
As for our fathers and forefathers turning in their grave?
What a load of tosh.

I watched the BBC commentary last night and this morning, and was quite disappointed when they were running BNP down.
BBC TWATS, they didn’t take into account the meaning of democracy.
What about running down some other MP’s who committed fraud in the system?

Originally Posted by True2Blue

Originally Posted by Biscuits_AB

What the mainstream have overlooked is that people are now looking at politicians in a very different light. We've always suspected that they never truly represented their constituents and in many cases has now been proven, hence the bloody noses. Lining their pockets whilst decent tax payers are losing their homes, jobs and dignity? Some of these politicians have proven themselves to be nothing more than self promoting, money grabbing vermin. Swift decisive action was needed, but as this has never been forthcoming, they are now seen by us as protecting the unprotectable. They are hoping that this will all die away and the we will return to the fold in due course, but they may be very disappointed if they still believe that we are nothing more than sheep. The cat's out of the bag fella's and we can now prove that our suspicions were right all along. To top all of this, some of the population has made it's feelings felt by voting for extremists and the mainstream still consider the populus to be stupid by complaining that those votes were wasted? Why were they wasted? Will BNP tell us lies? What, a bit like Labour & the Tories have done for decades? Or were those different types of lies? Like Iraq has WMDs for instance?

Westminster is going to have to work very hard and the spotlight should always be upon them. Westminster needs to be very transparent and a damn sight more accountable than it has been and if it fails to agree, then the population should repay that contempt as it has done this last week and it should continue to do so until we, the population get what we want, not what they want. They work for us. They should bloody well remember that.

Very well put Biscuits_AB.
As for our fathers and forefathers turning in their grave?
What a load of tosh.

I watched the BBC commentary last night and this morning, and was quite disappointed when they were running BNP down.
BBC ****, they didn’t take into account the meaning of democracy.
What about running down some other MP’s who committed fraud in the system?

I watched Adam Boulton make Griffen look like a blustering amateur last night on Sky - give them the podium and make them face the spotlight, so far they have found it easy to be the heros in the background....
It only takes a few policy questions to expose nasty little racists as nasty little racists....

As many have said above, this is a democracy (-ish) and the BNP won two seats by the current political rules, fair enough to them.

Of course it is a protest vote, but that doesn't dismiss the basis for the need for discontent.

Listening to both Griffin and Bronze as they were attacked again & again by the BBC about racism and hatred etc both were pretty convincing, and it should be a fair arguement to compare 2nd/3rd generation asians who they don't regards as indigenous with the sons/grandsons of white Europeans who had been born/lived in India who weren't indigenous to the Indian sub-continent. There has been far too much and uncontrolled immigration and most people know that but only the BNP are brave enough to say so.

As for the fact that black people are not allowed to join the BNP, then again fair enough, white police-officers can neither join the BPO or form a White Police Officers association.

I don't think that MP expenses had much effect in the elections bar reducing turnout - the bottom line is that the majority of the country has had it up to here with Mugabe and ZANU-NL and just want them out.

Odo

(......and no I didn't vote BNP)

Originally Posted by Alsacien

I watched Adam Boulton make Griffen look like a blustering amateur last night on Sky - give them the podium and make them face the spotlight, so far they have found it easy to be the heros in the background....
It only takes a few policy questions to expose nasty little racists as nasty little racists....

That's because he is a blustering amateur. Pray to God that they don't use taxpayers money for a PR makeover and training (although precedent has been set) and get a good orator.