Thread: BNP Win Their First EU Seat

Originally Posted by Markintime

Originally Posted by All_I_Want

I think we may be further apart than you think, I want out of the EU, if they want us in an EEC then we can address that if it comes up. The whole immigration issue stems from the EU, well there is a bit further afield as well but this needs addressing differently.

I have a great deal of issues about the intrusiveness of the EU but I don't think that the BNP will withdraw from Europe despite what they say. I'm not even sure it's possible to withdraw now.

As I said before, I don't think they will be worrying too much about UKIP, they know the voters will come back come a GE, as has been said by a fair few on these boards incidentally.


How can anyone be certain of that, there appears to be a lot of widespread disaffection with the main parties and even if they do come back which party will they support, it may not be Labour so Labour have to worry about that and equally the other two parties.

Do you seriously believe that the BNP have any chance whatsoever of getting more than 1 or 2 at the most MP's? I know how much the BNP are vilified everywhere, it is not going to happen, I would be VERY surprised if they got one, and there is no way that any party would "do a deal" with them, they would rather go with the monster raving loonies (probably no change actually they could all probably join this anyway).
BNP membership is growing if it continues to grow and if they to bury deeper their more extreme policies then it may well continue to grow. There appears to be a growth in extreme nationalist parties all over the EU so nothing is guaranteed, especially if the current depression continues longer than foreseen.

Yes but the Banladeshi community may get a bus and so may a few other minorities but if it is funded by the taxpayers then EVERY community should get their fair share of the pot, or do you only get it if, what?

As I pointed out most communities do get their fair share. Pensioners get buses and bus passes, so do the disabled and the mentally ill, youth groups and religious groups get them as well but a lot of people seem to ignore that and just concentrate on the Bangladeshi one.

Anyway MIT, I have stated why I voted BNP and if nothing changes I will be voting BNP at the GE too, but to say that the BNP will not withdraw from the EU despite what they say, how do you come to this, it seems you are taking some of what they say at face value (all the bad bits) and then saying that some of the other bits they wont do, you cant have it both ways.

Originally Posted by stacker1

Think about this two toms are both working one non muslim and and a muslim, the Muslim disaapears 3 time during the working day to pray while the other soldier continues, Is this fair? Why can't the other soldier get a break at the same time?

You could say the same about smokers disappearing fifteen times a day. Or the regimental boxing/football/rugby/tug of war/Lanyard Trophy/whatever team never being in work. Or the gapped posts when people are attached to the White Helmets.

Originally Posted by amazing__lobster

So it's not the managements fault, but the guy who has been given the time off?

Although I bet if the management were Muslim, then you blame them?

Do you really not see where you are going wrong? You blame the individuals, and mass-label them all too, when most of the issues you raise appear to result from your management.

Err yes I'd say it was the managements fault. If the Management was Muslim yes I would blame them.
The individuals would be easy to deal with if people were not so scared of being called prejudice.
These are the work rules EVERYONE will obey them if you think you can't sod off and get a job elsewhere. (that applys to everyone)

Originally Posted by amazing__lobster

Although do you think the non-Muslim soldier would have been happier if the Muslim wasn't in the army, and had to do all of the work alone?

By that argument would people be happy if I turned up and helped them for 1/2 a day rather than them working alone?

Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate

Originally Posted by stacker1

Think about this two toms are both working one non muslim and and a muslim, the Muslim disaapears 3 time during the working day to pray while the other soldier continues, Is this fair? Why can't the other soldier get a break at the same time?

You could say the same about smokers disappearing fifteen times a day. Or the regimental boxing/football/rugby/tug of war/Lanyard Trophy/whatever team never being in work. Or the gapped posts when people are attached to the White Helmets.

Is that based on faith? If you want to join a sports team crack on and take the pros and the cons. Not chose when you want time off (ie when there a load of work on (funny how the lad never went for his prayers when there was little work to do)) yet chose to get pissed down the bar which I believe Allah frowns upon.

Originally Posted by stacker1

If you want to join a sports team crack on and take the pros and the cons.

You want to get off work three times a day for prayers? You know what to do.

Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate

Originally Posted by stacker1

If you want to join a sports team crack on and take the pros and the cons.

You want to get off work three times a day for prayers? You know what to do.

Make up a religion to suit myself and hope the army doesn't have to balls to make me work for the money they pay me?

Editted to add if the work need doing your boss will sack of any ideas of sport.

Jagman writes a lot of good sense and has my full support in what he says. The fact is that no country can absorb 440 million people overnight which is what being in the EU means as they all have the legal right to live here. This is nothing to do with race, religion or colour. It is simply a matter of common sense and numbers of people that can be assimilated within the community.
Furthermore, it does not appear to be recognised that the EU is going to take over immigration policy and the EU will decide how many asylum seekers, foreign immigrants etc will have to come to the UK. I firmly believe that genuinine asylum seekers should be given a new start in the UK, but the rules say that they should be offered asylum in the first safe country they enter. The EU will then have he power to send as many as they want to the UK. As Jagman rightly points out, the election of two BNP members to the European parliament should concentrate the minds of our politicians into re-assessing immigration policy. Unfortunately they may be unable to do a thing about it as the EU will decide everthing in any event.
It is another fact that by allowing 460 million Europeans to live in the UK we are positively discriminating against our Commonwealth cousins from being allowed to live here in favour of Europeans to whom we owe nothing and who owe us (the USA and the Commonwealth as well) everything.
The BNP racial policy is abhorrent. During the last war the Indian Army of 1 Million volunteers was (I believe) the largest volunteer army ever raised. We owe them, not Romanians, Bulgarians Moldavians etc., etc.

Originally Posted by stacker1

Editted to add if the work need doing your boss will sack of any ideas of sport.

Really? I've seen people being brought back from Ops to play for a Corps sports team. I don't know what where you work is like, but here work is a very distant second to the regimental sports teams. Especially one particular sport which the Regt 2ic and RSM both happen to enjoy.

If the army is so biased towards white people Stacker1 (although I'm shocked that it's changed this much, since I left in October 2005), why don't you leave if you find it so distressing?

Originally Posted by amazing__lobster

If the army is so biased towards white people Stacker1 (although I'm shocked that it's changed this much, since I left in October 2005), why don't you leave if you find it so distressing?

Why didn't all the black people leave in the 70s if they found it so racist?
Why should I be pushed out of a job?
Its only biased because people are to scared of being called prejudiced, then they wonder why young soldiers take an interest in the BNP.

Originally Posted by jimmys_best_mate

Originally Posted by stacker1

Editted to add if the work need doing your boss will sack of any ideas of sport.

Really? I've seen people being brought back from Ops to play for a Corps sports team. I don't know what where you work is like, but here work is a very distant second to the regimental sports teams. Especially one particular sport which the Regt 2ic and RSM both happen to enjoy.

On herrick 6 I didn't anyone leaving to go on sports I did see several Muslims being allow to wonder off when they felt like it.

Originally Posted by stacker1

Originally Posted by amazing__lobster

If the army is so biased towards white people Stacker1 (although I'm shocked that it's changed this much, since I left in October 2005), why don't you leave if you find it so distressing?

Why didn't all the black people leave in the 70s if they found it so racist?
Why should I be pushed out of a job?
Its only biased because people are to scared of being called prejudiced, then they wonder why young soldiers take an interest in the BNP.

Who is wondering?

Originally Posted by amazing__lobster

Who is wondering?

Several officers for a start. It might also explain why on civvie street they are getting more popular. (unless of course a load of thick, chavvy, welfare case ,knuckle dragging racists have only just started voting).

Originally Posted by stacker1

On herrick 6 I didn't anyone leaving to go on sports I did see several Muslims being allow to wonder off when they felt like it.

Well, it happens and I've personally witnessed it.

I've worked with Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists and probably others that I've never even heard of, but I've never seen them wander off whenever they feel like it any more than I've seen white soldiers do it. If they're not on something operationally important and want an hour off for prayers, why not let them? It's not like the white/British/Christian (however you want to describe them) lads don't look for any excuse they can find to get back to their rooms instead of sweeping the hangar again.

You try telling Pte Bloggs that he can't go on Army Dog Fondling because he's on exercise that week and see how long it is until you get a phone call from General Cholmley-Warner, head of Army Dog Fondling, telling you that Pte Bloggs will be going on his week of canine touching and you can wind your neck in.

Originally Posted by amazing__lobster

If the army is so biased towards white people Stacker1 (although I'm shocked that it's changed this much, since I left in October 2005), why don't you leave if you find it so distressing?

What are you saying here?
That you don't believe him or it serves him right?
He is only stating what is happening at his unit, it may not be happening all over the army, unless you were at the same unit how can you say it has changed so much since 2005?
Attitudes like yours are helping the BNP, when are you going to see that?