Thread: BNP Win Their First EU Seat

Originally Posted by Grownup_Rafbrat

Originally Posted by whitecity

Originally Posted by Grownup_Rafbrat

And I don't want to go back to Normandy, thank you!

The cider and calvados are good, but I'm always getting lost on the Caen ring-road.

You're lucky. The French lost Caen completely in 1944.

I believe my ancestors left there around 978 years earlier than that. I'm assuming that Mr. Griffin and his band of anti-immigrant ranters have me in their sights now.

I wonder how far back Griffin's ancestory goes on the British Isles.

The French first lost Caen in June 1940 to Rommel's 7th Panzer Division (Hoth: XV Panzer Corps). In 1944, Bomber Harris and his team in crab blue made sure they never got the old Caen back again. Pretty careless to lose a town twice, don't you think?

Originally Posted by Ancient_Mariner

Originally Posted by Whet

Originally Posted by Iolis

You will find that your local MP has a disc containing the names and addresses of each constituent who voted for them, and what their voting record has been over a number of years. All provided by the Local Authority.

I challenged the Selby District Council over this in 1995 when I lived in their area. I was told that the only reason such information is retained was to prevent electoral fraud.

Complete blx of course!

Utter rubbish.

The only way to find out the political voting of people is to knock on their door and ask them. The polling cards are not analysed to find out voters choices. The CDs handed out to candidates do not have voting information on them, it has their addresses and voting number on them. A seperate CD is supplied to give those who have voted using the postal system but again no voting intention is identified.

The wife once asked the bloke in the polling station whether the numbers on your ballot paper could be matched to your name to find out how you have voted.

She was told that this could be done but that an order from a High Court judge was required to match your number on the electoral roll to the number on your ballot paper. So far so good.

There was a scandal in Scotland recently when an accusation of widespread impersonation was made. Turned out that the ballot papers in question had, ahem, gone missing, err somehow.

More importantly, it was revealed that the log books with your name and ballot number and the numbered ballot papers were stored in the same place without security. Hence, in practice, anybody working for the council can find out how you voted.

Regarding the BNP, if only the lefties would shut up about them I rather think they'd wither and die like the National Front. Who'd even heard of the BNP before 1997?

Ever heard of Combat 18? Of course you have. formed by the BNP. You heard of John Tyndall being chucked out of the NF - he set up the BNP after that.

Of course you and I have heard of the BNP before 1997, it's just that one of us forgot.

Originally Posted by Grownup_Rafbrat

Both of them were eclipsed by Chairman Mao Tse Tung, who killed around thirty million of his compatriots, often by subtle methods such as 'crushing with stones'.

By 1933 Stalin had exterminated 22 million kulaks in his 'collectivisation' drive, Hitler was a mere amateur compared to Stalin in numbers although far more efficient in his execution.
Tony Blair's rise to power most echoes Hitlers. They both came to power on the back of vague promises and 'feel good' utterings whilst hiding their true intentions. I am certain that hardly anyone voted to kill Jews in 1933 but that was the outcome of their voting in the National Socialist German Workers Party. Most just assumed Hitler would 'drop this crazy Jew thing' when he got to power which became the general feeling of the time.
Those people who say they are just using the BNP as a protest vote are kidding themselves. Every vote cast for them legitimises them as a political force and sets a ball rolling.
That having been said, we live in a democracy and the BNP have the right to canvas votes on whatever platform they chose as long as they do it lawfully. For Unions who for years ruled and voted by the fist to seek to restrict democracy in this way is hardly unusual. They owe what democracy they do have to Maggie Thatcher who stopped rule by thuggery being the democracy of the unions.

Whet

Go away you're starting to bore me now.
You're a civvy c*nt trying to justify your views and thinking we're all stupid.
We know more about the threats to society than you'll ever know.

Sort out you're own party because if it wasn't so corrupt maybe people would vote for it.
Just because te BNP are facists doesn't mean we have to vote for you.

VH

Originally Posted by Whet

Originally Posted by Ancient_Mariner

Regarding the BNP, if only the lefties would shut up about them I rather think they'd wither and die like the National Front. Who'd even heard of the BNP before 1997?

Ever heard of Combat 18? Of course you have. formed by the BNP. You heard of John Tyndall being chucked out of the NF - he set up the BNP after that.

Of course you and I have heard of the BNP before 1997, it's just that one of us forgot.

Do you use stupidity as a job interview device?

Read my post earlier:
Euro elections 1999 BNP poll 103,000
Euro elections 2004 BNP poll 808,000
Euro elections 2009 BNP poll 944,000

Where was the outcry against the BNP in 2004?

Edited for posting mongness. Grrrrr!

Originally Posted by shrew

Originally Posted by Biscuits_AB

Are you pale blue with ginger hair and have a penchant for all things 'deep fried'?

... nothing could be further from the truth.

anyway - this is off track.

What's the BNP's stance on Gurhka's then?

I believe that on the Today programme he said that Gurkhas were imigrants that would ghettoise an area if they were allowed to come into the country and would start claiming benefits.

I didn't hear it myself and so am going on the info posted on a thread. If you search on here you will find a link.

Originally Posted by whitecity

Originally Posted by Whet

Originally Posted by Ancient_Mariner

Regarding the BNP, if only the lefties would shut up about them I rather think they'd wither and die like the National Front. Who'd even heard of the BNP before 1997?

Ever heard of Combat 18? Of course you have. formed by the BNP. You heard of John Tyndall being chucked out of the NF - he set up the BNP after that.

Of course you and I have heard of the BNP before 1997, it's just that one of us forgot.

Do you use stupidity as a job interview device?

Read my post earlier:
Euro elections 1999 BNP poll 103,000
Euro elections 2004 BNP poll 808,000
Euro elections 1999 BNP poll 944,000

Where was the outcry against the BNP in 2004?

Was I replying to ou WC? Nope. In fact, I quoted the bloke I was respponding to and unless you post as Ancient Mariner as well as this identity then you really should watch the insults.

So, AM asked who had heard of the BNP before 1997 and I replied to him, saying we both had but he might have forgotten.

Where does your post come into it?

Good. I'm not a supporter of the BNP, but i am pretty disgusted about the way they are treated by the media, it seems democracy is great but only if you vote for who the main parties approve of.

If they really want to defeat the BNP, then they need to address the issues they do and on a local level, they need to debate with them instead of jerry springer show tactics with the Booing and the Hissing and arn't they bad guys lets ban them from speaking types.

Shamefull if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Whet

Originally Posted by whitecity

Originally Posted by Whet

Originally Posted by Ancient_Mariner

Regarding the BNP, if only the lefties would shut up about them I rather think they'd wither and die like the National Front. Who'd even heard of the BNP before 1997?

Ever heard of Combat 18? Of course you have. formed by the BNP. You heard of John Tyndall being chucked out of the NF - he set up the BNP after that.

Of course you and I have heard of the BNP before 1997, it's just that one of us forgot.

Do you use stupidity as a job interview device?

Read my post earlier:
Euro elections 1999 BNP poll 103,000
Euro elections 2004 BNP poll 808,000
Euro elections 2009 BNP poll 944,000

Where was the outcry against the BNP in 2004?

Was I replying to ou WC? Nope. In fact, I quoted the bloke I was respponding to and unless you post as Ancient Mariner as well as this identity then you really should watch the insults.

So, AM asked who had heard of the BNP before 1997 and I replied to him, saying we both had but he might have forgotten.

Where does your post come into it?

I speak for myself, not Ancient_Mariner, but suggest his comment about pre-1997 was that the BNP was an irrelevance even though they existed. He suggests that if we continue to ignore them, they will likely drown of their own accord. YOU seem to see it differently.

Now, given the MASSIVE increase in their apparent popularity in 2004, and mediocre advance in 2009, why all the scaremongering now and not then?

Answer that brainbox.


Edited for posting mongness. Grrrrr!

Originally Posted by VanHelsing

Whet

Go away you're starting to bore me now.
You're a civvy c*nt trying to justify your views and thinking we're all stupid.
We know more about the threats to society than you'll ever know.

Sort out you're own party because if it wasn't so corrupt maybe people would vote for it.
Just because te BNP are facists doesn't mean we have to vote for you.

VH

A bit of news VH, the most of us are civvies on here. More ex servicemen than serving I should think.

As for voting - vote for who you like. Until the BNP get to power this is a free country.

[quote="Whet"]

Originally Posted by VanHelsing

Whet
As for voting - vote for who you like. Until the BNP get to power this is a free country.

Incorrect. Pse amend to 'Until Labour got into power etc'

Originally Posted by Whet

Until the BNP get to power this is a free country.

Or until the loony Left get to power - let's have a little balance here, Scargill's Socialist Labour Party would hardly want free thought or free voting. However, so long as we keep the FPTP electoral system, neither will gain seats in Parliament for the foreseeable future.

Given that you are pro-PR, what are your thoughts on the rise of extremist political parties on the back of that electoral system?

Originally Posted by Fcukface

Good. I'm not a supporter of the BNP, but i am pretty disgusted about the way they are treated by the media, it seems democracy is great but only if you vote for who the main parties approve of.

If they really want to defeat the BNP, then they need to address the issues they do and on a local level, they need to debate with them instead of jerry springer show tactics with the Booing and the Hissing and arn't they bad guys lets ban them from speaking types.

Shamefull if you ask me.

Agreed.
If they had not democratically won any seats, nothing would be said.
Those that now shout and produce the racist card IMO are just as bad.

Originally Posted by Whet

Originally Posted by VanHelsing

Whet

Go away you're starting to bore me now.
You're a civvy c*nt trying to justify your views and thinking we're all stupid.
We know more about the threats to society than you'll ever know.

Sort out you're own party because if it wasn't so corrupt maybe people would vote for it.
Just because te BNP are facists doesn't mean we have to vote for you.

VH

A bit of news VH, the most of us are civvies on here. More ex servicemen than serving I should think.

As for voting - vote for who you like. Until the BNP get to power this is a free country.

Well if you're an ex serviceman with your stupidity I'd be suprised. As you only post in the current affairs thread I reckon you just want to teach all us ex squaddies about politics. With a blinkered attitude to politics that you have you wouldn't even have made a good hat.

By the way I have never voted BNP nor a supporter but I will say one thing, the BNP or UKIP haven't robbed this country blind for years, made draconian laws and have the integrity of sewer rats like your lot.

No go away and bore someone else.


VH



VH

WC



Possibly their recent change (if you can call 3 years recent) from calling for mass repatriation of immigrants to voluntary repatriation with a financial incentive - thus legitimising their racism to a lot of people.

Perhaps their calling for the scrapping of Londons congestion charge in their Mayoral manifesto.

The point is, they have been afforded some legitimacy (legitimacy they should not have) and a whole lot of money by getting two MEPs into Brussels.