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    Lockerbie bomber offered freedom

    Surprised this hasn't been made more of:-

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6194842.ece

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    Re: Lockerbie bomber offered freedom

    It's pretty disgusting that the poor sod's still banged up when the evidence against him has repeatedly been shown to be unsound at best and Mickey Mouse at worst.

    The real bomber must be laughing his cock off and revelling in the dosh flowing in from Anglo-Libyan oil ventures.
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    Re: Lockerbie bomber offered freedom

    He was proven guilty in a court of law, and sentenced to life imprisonment. No new evidence has come to light that I can see would change the verdict so he should die in prison, in Scotland. 270 lives perished as a result of this mans actions, I see no reason for compassion in his case.

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    Re: Lockerbie bomber offered freedom

    His conviction was shown to be unsound when it was proved there were other ways the luggage in question could have got past airport security. That would have been enough to have his conviction quashed in any other case.

    There's also the allegation made by Susan Lindauer that a CIA regional expert claimed there was no Libyan involvement whatsoever. Apologies for the secondary source, I wasn't able to track down the original article.

    The bloke was a sacrificial goat, nothing more nothing less.
    We need people who look to the stars, holding the nation and the world in their hearts but at the same time we need down-to-earth people who can do serious and trying work.

    In a definite sense, a country's power and prestige isn't only a reflection of its economic power but also a reflection of its people's quality and morality. Moreover, I think the latter is actually more important in the long-term.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/multi...na_has_changed

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    Re: Lockerbie bomber offered freedom

    Smartascarrots, im not denying the evidence was somewhat flaky, but he received a trial, he had a defence lawyer and could have contested the evidence against him. Knowing the politics that was prevailing to get a trial going for Lockerbie I would not be surprised if the evidence was somewhat tampered with, but the fact remains that he was found guilty of this crime, and no other evidence has been produced to date which could lead me to believe that he is totally innocent.

    If it subsequently turns out that he is innocent, the entire justice system of this country will be held to be in disrepute.

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    Re: Lockerbie bomber offered freedom

    I'm with carrots on this. In view of the nature of the crime I think that a jury would have convicted anyone brought before them. As for the entire justice ( you really mean legal) system of this country, it is living on past glory. It is in disrepute.

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    Re: Lockerbie bomber offered freedom

    IMHO,a political trial and a set-up.

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    Re: Lockerbie bomber offered freedom

    Quote Originally Posted by bobthedog
    Smartascarrots, im not denying the evidence was somewhat flaky, but he received a trial, he had a defence lawyer and could have contested the evidence against him. Knowing the politics that was prevailing to get a trial going for Lockerbie I would not be surprised if the evidence was somewhat tampered with, but the fact remains that he was found guilty of this crime, and no other evidence has been produced to date which could lead me to believe that he is totally innocent.

    If it subsequently turns out that he is innocent, the entire justice system of this country will be held to be in disrepute.
    The evidence about the alternate methods of delivery was brought out after he was convicted, as was the other stuff. He was found guilty on a combination of dodgy and incomplete evidence; and high emotions.

    The fact that it was a despicable crime should mean that we're more interested in finding the actual guilty party than persecuting the patsy.
    We need people who look to the stars, holding the nation and the world in their hearts but at the same time we need down-to-earth people who can do serious and trying work.

    In a definite sense, a country's power and prestige isn't only a reflection of its economic power but also a reflection of its people's quality and morality. Moreover, I think the latter is actually more important in the long-term.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/multi...na_has_changed

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    Re: Lockerbie bomber offered freedom

    So I guess what everybody is saying is that it was a show trial, not only has democracy and freedom suffered in the past 12 years, but our justice system is in tatters. Is there anything left undamaged by New Labours desire to be tampering in everything?

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    Re: Lockerbie bomber offered freedom

    It was a show trial all right. How far NL's hand was in it I'm not sure as the groundwork for a scapegoating had been laid since the bombing.

    For what it's worth, HERE's the orginal verdict.

    Personally I have a problem with the summing up, particularly when squaring "the identification of the first accused (albeit not absolute)" with "There is nothing in the evidence which leaves us with any reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the first accused".

    He couldn't be identified absolutely but was definitely guilty? Come on...
    We need people who look to the stars, holding the nation and the world in their hearts but at the same time we need down-to-earth people who can do serious and trying work.

    In a definite sense, a country's power and prestige isn't only a reflection of its economic power but also a reflection of its people's quality and morality. Moreover, I think the latter is actually more important in the long-term.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/multi...na_has_changed

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