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    Nuclear Plant Nepotism

    According to the Beeb, eleven possible sites for new nuclear power stations have been unveiled.

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    Dizzy has a slightly differnt angle on who has been given initial approval on building and operating these new facilities:

    Having established in the dodgy consultation that everyone really wants nuclear, the latest consultation is where to build the 11 new nuclear plants along with who nominated them, and here they are:


    Hartlepool nominated by EDF Energy
    Heysham nominated by EDF Energy
    Dungeness nominated by EDF Energy
    Sellafield nominated by NDA
    Kirksanton nominated by RWE
    Braystones nominated by RWE
    Wylfa Peninsula nominated by NDA and RWE
    Oldbury nominated by NDA and EON
    Hinkley Point nominated by EDF Energy
    Bradwell nominated by NDA
    Sizewell nominated by EDF Energy
    Who wants to bet that al the sites in that list that already have nuclear facilities will be getting more irrespective of what a consultation might say - assuming its not rigged of course? I wonder if Fluor will get any subcontracts on the gigs?

    Reference notes for readers:
    EDF Energy: Head of Comms and general lobbying, Gordon Brown's brother, Andrew.
    NDA: Headed by Tony Cooper, father to Chief Secretary to Treasury Yvette Cooper, and father-in-law to Ed Balls.
    RWE: Also known as N-Power Renewables. Former Head of Comms and Public Affairs, and now three day a week consultant, Stephen Tindale. Former head of Greenpeace and Labour environment policy advisor.
    EON: Legally represented by preferred counsel, Justine Thornton, an energy and planning expert, also girlfriend to Ed Miliband, Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change.
    Fluor: Senior adviser to the management team of the Fluor Corporation, Rt Hom, Ian McCartney.
    Can't say I'm at all surprised. Nepotism - alive and well and an integral policy of the New Labour project.
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    Re: Nuclear Plant Nepotism

    Existing nuclear sites can be built on much more easily than "greenfield" sites for so many reasons from NIMBY councils to multi-year protests throughout the building. Existing sites are already secured and will be much easier to "sell" to the local areas.

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    Re: Nuclear Plant Nepotism

    Quote Originally Posted by craign
    Existing nuclear sites can be built on much more easily than "greenfield" sites for so many reasons from NIMBY councils to multi-year protests throughout the building. Existing sites are already secured and will be much easier to "sell" to the local areas.
    Agreed (I am not anti-nuclear, far from it) but you missed the point completely didn't you?
    "You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

    Adrian Rogers, 1931-2005

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    Is it possible that these are the only companies capable of building/running nuclear plants? If it was one company employing them and and it had 90% of the sites, I'd worry, but not many companies are capable of this kind of work.
    Stupidity is like nuclear power.
    It can be used for good or evil.
    And you really don't want to get any on you.

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    Re: Nuclear Plant Nepotism

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzo_Dog
    According to the Beeb, eleven possible sites for new nuclear power stations have been unveiled.

    BBC

    Dizzy has a slightly differnt angle on who has been given initial approval on building and operating these new facilities:

    Having established in the dodgy consultation that everyone really wants nuclear, the latest consultation is where to build the 11 new nuclear plants along with who nominated them, and here they are:


    Hartlepool nominated by EDF Energy
    Heysham nominated by EDF Energy
    Dungeness nominated by EDF Energy
    Sellafield nominated by NDA
    Kirksanton nominated by RWE
    Braystones nominated by RWE
    Wylfa Peninsula nominated by NDA and RWE
    Oldbury nominated by NDA and EON
    Hinkley Point nominated by EDF Energy
    Bradwell nominated by NDA
    Sizewell nominated by EDF Energy
    Who wants to bet that al the sites in that list that already have nuclear facilities will be getting more irrespective of what a consultation might say - assuming its not rigged of course? I wonder if Fluor will get any subcontracts on the gigs?

    Reference notes for readers:
    EDF Energy: Head of Comms and general lobbying, Gordon Brown's brother, Andrew.
    NDA: Headed by Tony Cooper, father to Chief Secretary to Treasury Yvette Cooper, and father-in-law to Ed Balls.
    RWE: Also known as N-Power Renewables. Former Head of Comms and Public Affairs, and now three day a week consultant, Stephen Tindale. Former head of Greenpeace and Labour environment policy advisor.
    EON: Legally represented by preferred counsel, Justine Thornton, an energy and planning expert, also girlfriend to Ed Miliband, Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change.
    Fluor: Senior adviser to the management team of the Fluor Corporation, Rt Hom, Ian McCartney.
    Can't say I'm at all surprised. Nepotism - alive and well and an integral policy of the New Labour project.
    Good old socialism at work,here,keep it in the famliy the tried and trusted way of Labour.

    No doubt for a number of political contributions,Labour friendly construction companies will be lined-up for contracts.

    I see Mandleson getting in on this and receiving a few bungs.That big mortgage in London has to be payed from somewhere.
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    Re: Nuclear Plant Nepotism

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzo_Dog
    Quote Originally Posted by craign
    Existing nuclear sites can be built on much more easily than "greenfield" sites for so many reasons from NIMBY councils to multi-year protests throughout the building. Existing sites are already secured and will be much easier to "sell" to the local areas.
    Agreed (I am not anti-nuclear, far from it) but you missed the point completely didn't you?
    No, I didn't miss the nepotism point but where else would the power plants be built and who else would do them but for the companies mentioned? It's a fairly small market and odds are EDF will get the lion's share anyway regardless of the nepotism claims.

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    Yes they do like to keep it all to themselves dont they, who would have thought it hey?

    But anyway, just build on all 11 sites, no problems then.
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    Re: Nuclear Plant Nepotism

    Quote Originally Posted by craign
    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzo_Dog
    Quote Originally Posted by craign
    Existing nuclear sites can be built on much more easily than "greenfield" sites for so many reasons from NIMBY councils to multi-year protests throughout the building. Existing sites are already secured and will be much easier to "sell" to the local areas.
    Agreed (I am not anti-nuclear, far from it) but you missed the point completely didn't you?
    No, I didn't miss the nepotism point but where else would the power plants be built and who else would do them but for the companies mentioned? It's a fairly small market and odds are EDF will get the lion's share anyway regardless of the nepotism claims.
    You may well be right but I just find it uncomfortable that all the companies that have been awarded the contracts have direct links to senior members of the current Government.
    "You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

    Adrian Rogers, 1931-2005

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    Re: Nuclear Plant Nepotism

    Where is EDF getting the money from to buy British Energy? From RBS, who are still in business courtesy of the UK taxpayer, but prefer loaning money to foreign companies instead of British ones.

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    Re: Nuclear Plant Nepotism

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzo_Dog
    Quote Originally Posted by craign
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    Quote Originally Posted by craign
    Existing nuclear sites can be built on much more easily than "greenfield" sites for so many reasons from NIMBY councils to multi-year protests throughout the building. Existing sites are already secured and will be much easier to "sell" to the local areas.
    Agreed (I am not anti-nuclear, far from it) but you missed the point completely didn't you?
    No, I didn't miss the nepotism point but where else would the power plants be built and who else would do them but for the companies mentioned? It's a fairly small market and odds are EDF will get the lion's share anyway regardless of the nepotism claims.
    You may well be right but I just find it uncomfortable that all the companies that have been awarded the contracts have direct links to senior members of the current Government.
    I agree. I think that things like this should also go on the public register of MPs' interests. For example, if Broon's brother is dealing with the government and there may be a conflict of interest then that should be stated.

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    I think the arguement should be turned on it's head. The problem isn't that the only companies selected are ones that have links to senior government personnel, it's that those individuals are able to take up senior consulting positions or directorships. There are actually damn few companies that could finance the build and operation of nuclear power stations.

    Once again it's highlighting the snouts in the trough lifestyle of the individuals concerned.

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    Re: Nuclear Plant Nepotism

    exactly.
    consultants etc not really needed.
    its obvious new nuke plants would go next to old one for lots of obvious reasons
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    Stephen Tindale. Former head of Greenpeace and Labour environment policy advisor.
    hahaha, former head of Greenpeace and now building nuke plants, I wonder if he is still on the christmas (or should that be be winter festival) card (recycled enemies of mother Earth of course) list.....


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