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What a chilling piece of prose. I agree (sadly) with mutch of what Pullman says.

We have blundered into a being a semi democratic state - this week I was back with my family in Poland and I realised just how pervasive New Liarbour have been in terms of changing my own mindset. Example - silly but relevant - Parking - I parked outside a chemist and saw a warden type person - I felt the usual angst about having to move the car etc. In fact there were no dramas - a reasonable explanation of what I was doing = no ticket. As I say a silly example but I think a metaphor for how we now live in the UK and how we are now forced to think about everything we do and movement we make, we now always seem to incur the wrath of some restriction/permissions. That is the sort of tyranny they got rid of in Poland in 1990.

Who would have thought that I would experience more simple freedom in Poland than in the UK - I never would have thought that in my lifetime.

We have allowed the Govt to control and systemise our lives too much. The systems can be dismantled that part is easy - but what do we do about the generation of "busy bodies" (informants) New Liarbour have created that exist right through the public sector - they will want to hang onto their jobs/power. These Civil servants even believe that they are doing the right thing.

This will be the real challenge for the Tories. If they really want to take it on.

Its exactly what the Labour government did after the war. Churchill's campaign was based around getting rid of the myriad 'snoopers' on the public purse.

I refuse to believe that the Tories are unaware of this.


What chance a Churchill nowadays?

Originally Posted by Flight

Its exactly what the Labour government did after the war. Churchill's campaign was based around getting rid of the myriad 'snoopers' on the public purse.

I refuse to believe that the Tories are unaware of this.


What chance a Churchill nowadays?

What chance indeed?

I notice that Jabba the Prescott has been banging on this lunch time about the banks and has said that the Govt should just take the Pension away from that RBS dude.

Now much as I think that the RBS pension is excessive what winds me up more is Prescott's mindset - he thinks the Govt can just take someone's pension away without any thought for the precedent that this might set. Nothing is ever that simple, unless you want to be totalitarian.

Actually New Liarbour did take everyone's pension away with that quite little tax that Broon introduced a while back. Never mind we have to have an election in just over a year.

Roll on the "quite summer"

I was just about to post this link - what a statement of the truth, and what an answer to those who argue "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear".

Our ancestors fought too hard for too long for us to allow the destruction the laws which protect us from tyrants, which is why Voltaire was able to say in 1731:

"The English are the only people upon earth who have been able to prescribe limits to the power of kings by resisting them; and who, by a series of struggles, have at last established that wise Government where the Prince is all-powerful to do good, and, at the same time, is restrained from committing evil; where the nobles are great without insolence, though there are no vassals; and where the people share in the government without confusion."

Substitute the royal and noble references with suitable words for the executive/party system, andI wonder if the same could honestly be said today.

Originally Posted by FARMBOY

Originally Posted by Flight

Its exactly what the Labour government did after the war. Churchill's campaign was based around getting rid of the myriad 'snoopers' on the public purse.

I refuse to believe that the Tories are unaware of this.


What chance a Churchill nowadays?

What chance indeed?

I notice that Jabba the Prescott has been banging on this lunch time about the banks and has said that the Govt should just take the Pension away from that RBS dude.

Now much as I think that the RBS pension is excessive what winds me up more is Prescott's mindset - he thinks the Govt can just take someone's pension away without any thought for the precedent that this might set. Nothing is ever that simple, unless you want to be totalitarian.

Actually New Liarbour did take everyone's pension away with that quite little tax that Broon introduced a while back. Never mind we have to have an election in just over a year.

Roll on the "quite summer"

I'd like to take that fat cnuts right to life away! BTW I despise the RBS fecker as well but as I continually ask ashie and Sven - I accept the legality of his pension but

Is it MORAL or IMMORAL.

For me - totally immoral

Edited once for lunchtime spelling

Originally Posted by rickshaw-major

Originally Posted by FARMBOY

Originally Posted by Flight

Its exactly what the Labour government did after the war. Churchill's campaign was based around getting rid of the myriad 'snoopers' on the public purse.

I refuse to believe that the Tories are unaware of this.


What chance a Churchill nowadays?

What chance indeed?

I notice that Jabba the Prescott has been banging on this lunch time about the banks and has said that the Govt should just take the Pension away from that RBS dude.

Now much as I think that the RBS pension is excessive what winds me up more is Prescott's mindset - he thinks the Govt can just take someone's pension away without any thought for the precedent that this might set. Nothing is ever that simple, unless you want to be totalitarian.

Actually New Liarbour did take everyone's pension away with that quite little tax that Broon introduced a while back. Never mind we have to have an election in just over a year.

Roll on the "quite summer"

I'd like to take that fat cnuts right to life away! BTW I despise the RBS fecker as well but as I continually ask ashie and Sven - I accept the legality of his pension but

Is it MORAL or IMMORAL.

For me - totally immoral

Edited once for lunchtime spelling

Since when has a capitalist got be moral?

The cnuts are those morons pretending to run the country, who let him get the pension.

All this blame deflecting by incontinent scotch loons don't cut it with me...

Robert Peston for Chancellor say I!

Originally Posted by FARMBOY

I notice that Jabba the Prescott has been banging on this lunch time about the banks and has said that the Govt should just take the Pension away from that RBS dude.

Now much as I think that the RBS pension is excessive what winds me up more is Prescott's mindset - he thinks the Govt can just take someone's pension away without any thought for the precedent that this might set. Nothing is ever that simple, unless you want to be totalitarian.

Actually New Liarbour did take everyone's pension away with that quite little tax that Broon introduced a while back. Never mind we have to have an election in just over a year.

If there are to be 'No rewards for failure' and those guilty of failure are to have their pensions taken away then Blair and Brown should be first in the queue to give up their Prime Ministerial pensions. After all they have systematically wrecked the UK over the last 12 years.

If they had an ounce of decency they would retire to their studies with loaded revolvers and do the decent thing.

There is very little difference between the arrogance and lack of governance of Fred the Shred or indeed that of Prezza the hut. To be honest I find the sleaze of ZANU Liarbour worse, because nobody expected Fred to be anything other than a rapacious commercial shark. Remember all that Tony Blair as Kennedy and New Labour as his Camelot??

Personally I sensed it was ballocks when I tried to visualise Lancelot Mandelson skipping off with Queen Guinevere Booth QC.