P-Company and All Arms Commando Course

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  1. geoffgb

    geoffgb Swinger

    I dont really have any great knowledge concerning these two courses (only what I have taken from the internet) and would like to ask a few questions to those in the know:

    1) Is the AACC alot harder and more of a challenge than the P-Company?It seems to me that the AACC final tests are considerably harder than P-company, and also the AACC is alot longer than P-company also.

    2)My perception of the AACC from what I have gleamed is that the course has much more field craft elements and actually teaches 'commando' infantry tactics etc whereas P-compant just seems to be a series of beastings and tests with not as much time spent on field/infantry elements. Is that true, or am I way off the mark?

    3)Theoretically, would a infantry officer who went through sandhurst, then onto his arms training, then completed AACC be at the same level as RM officer, in reference to infantry elements?

    thank you for your time
  2. Gash_Pastie

    Gash_Pastie Swinger

    It sounds like you have already decided to try for your Dettol badge rather than the coveted Blue Badge of Courage
  3. geoffgb

    geoffgb Swinger

    as a 100% civvy at the moment, that statement is completely lost on me!
  4. Wessex_Man

    Wessex_Man War Hero

    The courses are fundamentally different - pointless rating one as "harder" than the other.

    P-Coy is what it is - Pre-Para Selection; a selection course aiming to assess suitability for Airborne Forces. It is brutally direct & very physical; everything is done at a furious pace, and there's considerable emphasis on aggression. It's designed to select out recruits & trained soldiers who lack the necessary physical/ mental attributes; there's little tactical training etc because that's been/ is being dealt with elsewhere.

    AACC, however, is partly about selection, but is also a training course which includes a lot of tactical & other instruction: of necessity, therefore, the approach is less overtly aggressive.

    Each is very demanding in its own way - generally, however, someone who passes one of these courses probably will not experience major problems with the other.

    A Para Reg officer who has done Sandhurst (42 weeks), Platoon Commanders' Battle Course at Brecon (12 weeks), & AAPPS + BPC (at least another 8 weeks) is just as highly trained as a RM officer who's been through their 15 month training package at Lympstone. I'd say they were pretty comparable, although, of course, each has a slightly different primary focus.

    From one who knows:

    "If the Parachute Regt is the finest airborne infantry in the world - and it is - the Royal Marines are the best amphibious soldiers. This was the first time I'd really come across them, and I have to say I was impressed. They were smart, fit, keen and skilled, just like us."

    Pete Scholey, ex Para Reg, & SSM 22 SAS.

    (see "The Joker", 1999, ISBN 0 233 99866 7, page 34 of paperback ed, Andre Deutsch publications).
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  5. civvygit

    civvygit War Hero

    glean (gln)
    v. gleaned, glean·ing, gleans
    To gather grain left behind by reapers.
    1. To gather (grain) left behind by reapers.
    2. To collect bit by bit: "records from which historians glean their knowledge" Kemp Malone. See Synonyms at reap.

    Irreverently pedantically chopped by me :wink:
  6. muhandis89

    muhandis89 LE

    Both courses are designed to provide the right people for either the Commando or Parachute role.By and large,they both seem to achieve this.As a poster has said above,someone who can pass one of these course,can probably pass the other.Some unit members have to do both-29 CDO RA FOU.You'll probably get a good steer from someone in this unit.
  7. Fallschirmjager

    Fallschirmjager LE

    Both are demanding courses, but of course, a chick has yet to pass P Coy! :wink:
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  8. django_strikes

    django_strikes LE

    As explained to me on the Cdo course, the two are very different, although if I remember correctly, you don't have to do P-Coy to qual for jumps if you have done AACC as it is arduous enough in it's own right.

    AACC takes ALL ARMS (Logistics, REME, Engineers, Signals, Gunners, Navy etc) and gives them the basic skills needed to be able to operate with and in support of Commando Forces. P-Coy prepares you for jumps - the mental aptitude to overcome your fear involved in throwing yourself out of an aircraft at 300feet burdened with kit in the dark - so lots of thrashings (to test mental and physical stamina and robustness). It is also shorter as presumably it doesnt need to be longer, whereas AACC takes the All Arms element from a bare minimum level of skill in some cases, to a higher level by way of a varied program - fieldcraft, amphibious skills, assault courses, physical tests etc.

    If, as your question almost alludes to, you are interested in joining the Army as an Infantry Officer instead of the Marines, then there is no guarantee that you will be given the chance to undertake AACC or P-Coy with the capbadge you end up with. IIRC there are very few Infantry attachments to the Cdos and they are not too keen on people doing the course for the sake of an extra badge if you will never support Cdo elements. As for P-Coy, if you dont go Para then again - why take a slot up if your Bn aren't in the Airborne role?
  9. Sandbanks

    Sandbanks War Hero

    My bold. Not anymore they don't and haven't for a number of years. Damn shame. Some guys have transferred over from 7 to 148 after completing the AACC but as I understand it these days it's no longer a requirement to do P-Company.
  10. radar260

    radar260 Clanker

    She didn't pass the fcuking cse proper!!! Following the 30 miler she had an extra day off before she had to re-do the Tarzan Assault cse. The rest of the cse who had failed the Tarzan cse up to then, did it the day after their 30 miler (respect), but she had an extra day. For some reason the press weren't allowed passed a certain point, which just happened to be near the 6 foot wall which she hadn't managed to get over in the whole time she'd been there. Day of the test she flew over it. A step there or a DSs back to jump on? From what I heard she did not display Offr qualities during the cse unlike the female RLC offr who was all over the squad during the spead marches, geeing them up. This ETS (Educator - for which there are no posts in 3 Cdo Bde!) Offr was more concerned with staying at the front of the squad so she could pass! She's a fcuking joke!!
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  11. radar260

    radar260 Clanker

    And another thing! It was her second course that she passed, as her field admin was completely shite on the first course! Her basha area looked like a bomb site. She also missed a lot of the 'beastings' that the course got, due to 'women's problems'. She does not deserve to wear the Green Beret or wear the Cdo Dagger. Thank fcuk I don't have to serve with her - Useless media chasing bint! :x
  12. jack-daniels

    jack-daniels LE

    Me thinks you're not happy about her then?!!
  13. px4llp

    px4llp War Hero

    Other than the trainasium,theres nothing on P Coy to do with parachuting-
    Its all about what we do on the battlefield.
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  14. OpsO

    OpsO Old-Salt

    An Infantry officer who has completed Sandhurst and PCD should already be at the same level as an RM officer. He should therefore have no need to go on a 'skill course' to bolster his ability in the field.
  15. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby LE

    There is normally an officer from the Argylls on attachment to 3 cdo brigade, apart from that I never saw a infantry trained officer with a green lid. Plenty of gunners, loggies and R.E types.