Joining the Army as a Medical Officer RAMC

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  1. Scorch
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    How would I go about joining the RAMC as a Medical Officer? And what sort of requirements are there to be met? What training would be recived?

    I thought it prudent to ask here since the army job site is in need of someone not talking out there arse.

    I'm 16 years old and looking towards joining the army when I'm 18
    I am a Corporal in Durham ACF and I would like to know a bit more about the way of join RAMC like I said earlier.

    So any help?

    PS. Sorry if I put this in the wrong section or category.

    Thanks,
    Scorch
  2. mph1977
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    Medical Officer or Medical Support Officer ?

    Medical officers are qualified medical practitioners i.e. doctors
  3. Scorch
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    Preferably a Medical Officer but presumably I would get to go and patrols and not sit in a tent for long periods of time.
  4. Switchback
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    Officer Careers - British Army Website

    "An MO is a qualified doctor who can be found providing medical cover to soldiers in a variety of environments around the world."


    There you go. If you want to be a Medical Officer you need to work bloody hard and go through the Medical School application process. Then you also need to pass the RAMC Army Officer Selection Board. So you can't join the army from 18 and be a medical officer, as you would need to go to Medical School first. However from reading the website if you think you are up to it you can apply for a medical cadetship.
  5. brave-coward
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    Without wishing to disappoint you, neither army doctors (medical officers known as MOs) or medical support officers (non-doctor Army Medical Services officers known as MSOs) routinely spend much, if any time patrolling on operations.

    In terms of how you become one:

    To become an MO, you need to get into medical school (normally a university hospital) to study to become a doctor. When you are on your course you can then apply to the army for a medical scholarship (I assume they still exist), this will mean that the army pay you and fund your tuition fees for the remainder of the course. Once you graduate as a fully fledged doctor after about 5 years of study, you spend about 4 weeks at Sandhurst on the professionally qualified officers' course (PQOs) before popping out as a Captain MO. If you want to go along this route, I'd advise you to speak to your school science teacher or careers adviser and tell them you want to be a doctor.

    To become an MSO is perhaps a bit simpler. All you need to do is attain the minimum academic qualifications to be an officer and pass the army officer selection board (AOSB) and the full 44 week commissioning course at Sandhurst. The Medical Corps (into which you would commission) is not normally particularly competitive so if you were a willing volunteer, they'd probably have you as long as you commission. However one to note is that the MSO commissioning route is pretty much the same as the route for any other regiment or corps, so if you go down this route you may decide to apply to join some other part of the army.

    My advice at this stage would be to seek the advice of one of your school teachers to see if you have any chance of becoming a doctor (if you don't already know). If you do not go to medical school with the intention of becoming a doctor and want to commission as a "non-PQO" you need to speak to a recruiting officer, I'd suggest in the next year or so depending if you are planning on going to university (most but not all officers do now have degrees).
  6. Scorch
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    So Im guessing that job on patrol would fall to a 'Combat Medic' ? or Some equivalent BUT NOT A EMT
  7. brave-coward
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    Yes, the medics who go out on patrol and who are routinely attached to infantry companies and the like are not officers, they are Combat Medical Technicians (CMTs) i.e. NCOs.

    In addition there are patrol and team medics. These are soldiers who have done a shorter medical/combat first aid course but are not a CMT by trade (they might be Infantrymen or armoured vehicle drivers who have been sent on the course to provide additional emergency medical cover for operations).

    Hope this helps. You may now decide you want to choose between being a CMT or being an officer, I take it you are not intending to train as a doctor?
  8. It's such a nice change to have someone come onto the site with rookie questions and not get crayoned all over by the usual idiots.
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  9. lettuce_pad
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    Medical Officer - go to Med School as you would if you were going to become any other doc. Whilst there apply to join the Army as a PQO - you may get sponsored; the way Uni fees are going to go that would probably be a worthwhile thing to do. Cardiff seem to farm out Army docs by the dozen.

    If you make it through med school and through the PQO course (essentially not difficult) you will be assigned to a unit as a GDMO (General Duties Medical Officer) - normally at a Med Regt where you complete your doc training. After this posting you go on to specialise (I couldn't elaborate more than that). After that your postings would depend on your speciality.

    As a doc your military skills and experience will be somewhat in short supply - you certainly would not be out on patrol; you are an asset with far more capability than being tunnelled into one patrol. You would however be part of a med section reasonably close to the action and definitely seeing the after effects. You can continue to specialise or you can elect to command at a later date - plenty of docs do this. There's also a chance to become an RMO with a Teeth Arms battalion as you gain seniority.

    Competition after first posting is veeeeerrry tight, as it is across the NHS at the moment; docs are lucky if they get subsequent postings to enhance their clinical skills let alone a speciality that they want - you'd have to speak to a doc about this more. You will get paid loads and you will be joining a Corps for docs, run by docs where CMTs and MSOs don't get a look in - this could change in future I suppose. I guess you could do the gap year commission and then do the doc (or vicars & tarts) course later...

    MSO - don't go there. The career will be short (especially after SDSR fallout), you will enjoy a mediocre career at best and you will be surrounded by several (not ALL I hasten to add) people who are there because they made the minimum grade at Sandhurst - this is getting better now however. MSO can be rewarding as a Tp Comd but that is probably it. The way TPTB are talking however, it is gearing up to be something akin to the NHS Manager in future which is not attractive if you have found your calling to be an Officer.

    CMT - great job, bags of potential to get better (always movement toward paramedic status) and you would get involved in patrols and suchlike to some extent. Depends what you feel your calling is.

    Definitely research more - although I appreciate the AMS don't advertise themselves particularly well - PM me if you have any burning questions.

    At 16, keep your options open, work to good grades and don't tie yourself to one career route. Make sure you fully research all the Army has to offer, including the different cap badges. Enjoy yourself - you don't have to worry about this too much now!
  10. Scorch
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    Thanks for the help :) Its much appreciated. There is still some more research that is needed to be done. However it dose look like Its leaning to CMT, I will try to keep more career paths open but It is looking towards front line medicine/para medicine as what I want to do.

    Yet a friend of family was a CMT and somehow gained more training than some officers and later became one.

    Paramedic Status? Is that just a different class of medic?

    (And would someone stop paying people to write shit on the army site and do something right)
  11. brave-coward
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    It is possible for a medic to qualify to the same standard as a civilian paramedic (the sort who might attend a car crash in the UK, etc.) This is a higher standard than most Army medics are trained and is a qualification that is recognised in civi street.

    In terms of the levels of training and ultimately becoming and officer, this is entirely possible. It is very likely that a CMT would be trained to a higher medical standard than an MSO (remember the MSO would not normally be expected to treat casualties himself).

    As with any other branch of the Army, a soldier can become and officer in two ways. The first is to be selected as a potential officer early in his or her career (normally Pte soldier to LCpl in rank). If selected and recommended by his Commanding Officer, he will attend the Army Officer Selection Board and if he passes will go to Sandhurst for the full 44 week course and if successful, commission as a direct entry (DE) 2Lt at the end. Secondly, later on in his career (normally WO2-WO1 rank) he may be selected to commission as a Late Entry (LE) officer. In this case, due to his greater experience, he will do a couple of weeks at Sandhurst before commissioning as an LE Capt. So the simple answer is, if you are good enough you can commission having joined as a soldier.
  12. top_soldier
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    You were doing okay until you got to the MSO bit - from your previous posts it is unclear where you hail from but it is clear that you have absolutely know idea about being an MSO................. shame really, perhaps you took an LE commission or maybe you are friends with current MSO Officers. To be honest it's irrelevant anyway as I suspect you will be one of those who are pushed out following SDSR?? Oh and by the way - there are some outstanding opportunities for MSO (and the really good ones prosper).
  13. RAMC
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    at the age of 16, with a medical career in mind. If you wish to study medicine at University you really must choose a levels of Chemistry physics and biology or maths . Yes I know it sounds daft but biology or maths, but check the university requirements for the ones that you intend applying . There were plenty of students who came to University with only GCSE biology or none at all. Basic biology will be gone over fairly fast and in greater detail in the human side the first year at medical school ( no botany !)

    You will need to get good grades and apply to one of the original universities with medical schools. I notice that you come from the Durham area, Newcastle University has a good medical school. I went to Manchester.

    You will get the opportunity to sign up in your fourth/fifth year and recieve help with fees in return for committing to enlist after you qualify

    You could train as a GP during your time in the army, that was always my plan. gods laugh at men who make plans !

    Watch all the M.A.S.H programs on paramount TV or get the dvds in the boxed set. Good luck.
  14. Scorch
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    What are the rolls of a MO in general as 2nd or front line medical care?
  15. top_soldier
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    Spelling is a key role.................. ;o)
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