Thread: Wounded Warrior Project.

A charity must return accounts but can register its name as a company to prevent the hijacking of that name for nefarious deeds.

Tsk sounds like charity walts to me!

Afraid the organisers are not a charity - the company simply sells raffle tickets and claim the aim is to raise £10K for yet another company. That other company is not a charity either - and I do not know if the two are run by the same people..........

We purchased a few but have that horrible feeling we've been conned.

I emailed yesterday and today they've confirmed they are not a charity and claim they did not represent they were and if I send the tickets back unmarked they'll give me my money back.

Afraid jamming them in my back pocket ruined the chance of the refund!

Reality is a registered charity gains lots of tax exemption benefits but in return they do have to comply with regulations and controls not applied to a couple of guys who set up a company. It has to be a worry these guys are not registered.

JOHN

What a bunch of sad fuckwits you people are, i bought tickets and on the reverse is where you put your name and address if your name and address is not on the ticket then send it back to them and stop whining like a pussy. It seems to me that the only one conning you is yourself.

banjulbilly : you talk of education and being above replying to others postings, did you forget to take your medication before the weekend? or are the steroids making you overly aggressive.....

I hope you keep ranting complete twaddle and make a record earner of the "Oxygen Thief" tag for your 4th post.

Everyone has their own views on which charities to support and why. You accuse H4H of fleecing everyone for their own pockets. I don't know what percentage of Merchandise makes its way back to the charities causes, but it does cover all the costs of the charity. This means that 100% of any money donated to the charity actually goes to the causes, in this case to benefit the boys on the ground whose luck wasn't with them. You talk of over inflated wage packets for their employees. They have only a few full time staff in the charity and most of them are partners of serving soldiers (Not Retd Brigadiers and jobs for the boys). They also don't have swanky London offices.

H4H isn't perfect, but none of the charities are. And to be honest I think they need to pause, take a breath and relook at what is important before charging on with its amazing enthusiasm and drive.

To put things in perspective, H4H just had its 2nd Birthday before Xmas and to have achieved what it has done in 2 years while struggling to grow to keep up with Jo Public's support is mainly down to a few key low paid individuals and the work of a battalion of volunteers

Since you seem so capable of digging up half the information, why don't you post which charities have the biggest donations to costs ratio and how much the Directors draw as a salary.

As for Wounded Warrior, I have had the honour of working with them in the US to see what they do for their casualties and that is where schemes like Battle Back have started to be brought in. Although the Yanks involve entire families going away as a Unit to a massive camp with all sorts of activities getting laid on for the wounded, you will also see old boys from the likes of Korea and Vietnam there with their families as its open to all wounded veterans. Good scheme, but they haven't touched base with places like DMRC Headley Court, Combat Stress or BLESMA that I am aware of.

Where as i would disagree with some of your opinions regarding H4H, my points above where geared around the fact that too many people jump to a conclusion that something is fake without even taking the time to look into things properly. Everybody has to start somewhere why not give these guys a chance instead of kicking them down at the first hurdle. Now even i feel like i am spouting off whereas in reality i am just trying to be fair and give them a voice on here.

Better still, rather than me defending them why dont you email them and get them to register so they can speak for themselves.

Sorry have to go now as am running out of oxygen..............'''''''''''...........

Originally Posted by banjulbilly

What a bunch of sad fuckwits you people are, i bought tickets and on the reverse is where you put your name and address if your name and address is not on the ticket then send it back to them and stop whining like a pussy. It seems to me that the only one conning you is yourself.

If you're so sure of your ground regarding this company, tell us what proportion of the money you paid for your tickets will go towards helping wounded service personnel and what manner of help will be involved. Or do you regard that as irrelevant?

Firstly i bought competition tickets with a chance to win a car, somewhere along the line the car has to be paid for. The tickets stated they are trying to raise £10,000 why not give them a chance to achieve that goal. May i ask did you buy tickets yourself?

By the way according to the lotteries and gaming commission a competition ticket need only state the amount that is aimed at so in my book if they raise the amount they said they have then thats ok by me. On the other hand if they only raise £500 then i would join everyone else in condeming them

Originally Posted by banjulbilly

Firstly i bought competition tickets with a chance to win a car, somewhere along the line the car has to be paid for. The tickets stated they are trying to raise £10,000 why not give them a chance to achieve that goal. May i ask did you buy tickets yourself?

By the way according to the lotteries and gaming commission a competition ticket need only state the amount that is aimed at so in my book if they raise the amount they said they have then thats ok by me. On the other hand if they only raise £500 then i would join everyone else in condeming them

No, as a fundraiser for several well-established Service charities, I wouldn't buy tickets for a car without possessing more information about the cause it purported to support and by how much it would benefit. What is the cause by the way? By all means, show me where I can "...look into things properly" as you say in a previous post.

Knowing the odds involved, I'm not going to line someone's pockets while subsidising someone else winning a car. I much prefer donating money to reputable organisations of my choosing that have to measure their beneficial effect, demonstrate it to the Charity Commission, and publish comprehensive figures. They are also eligible to claim Gift Aid which adds a significant percentage to any sum I give.

As this thread contains opinions on the advisability of sticking to registered charities for cash donation (Gift Aid, bona fides etc), people might want to be aware that there is a similarly named UK based Warrior Programme. Based in the Sir Oswald Stoll Mansions, it is a registered charity, and seems to be doing good stuff.

Wounded Warrior Project UK
I have seen it mentioned that the police have been involved in this..
If they are 'con men' then I'm sure the police will deal with them & stop people from wrongly 'tricking' the general public into giving money. [And so they should, because there are far too many people being dishonest]
I have also spotted people doing the same thing locally.. this was recently, so my impression is that this is all above board. I must admit, I found the lads very pleasant to talk too & very informative as to the cause. The fact that a car is to be won, well isn't that good?? It is going to gain further supporters who generally are ignorant towards these great causes!! [There are a few around!] I personally bought some tickets, 3 to be exact. The smart, polite lad that sold me the tickets, spent around 20 minutes chatting to me about his past military connections & the work that they do 'He gained 75 pence from my purchase' I feel that his efforts of standing in the freezing cold weather chatting about the organisation he supports & works with, whilst gaining funds... '25 Thousand pounds as stated on the company website' [I checked it out myself, just to confirm what he had said!] WELL GOOD ON THEM!!! [that doesn't even amount to Three pounds an hour on my calculator] & the bonus is INDIVIDUALS WILL benefit from this companies hard work!! Keep it up!!!
Individuals with tortious views will only make you stronger!! [b]

Originally Posted by sandbags

Wounded Warrior Project UK
I have seen it mentioned that the police have been involved in this..
If they are 'con men' then I'm sure the police will deal with them & stop people from wrongly 'tricking' the general public into giving money. [And so they should, because there are far too many people being dishonest]
I have also spotted people doing the same thing locally.. this was recently, so my impression is that this is all above board. I must admit, I found the lads very pleasant to talk too & very informative as to the cause. The fact that a car is to be won, well isn't that good?? It is going to gain further supporters who generally are ignorant towards these great causes!! [There are a few around!] I personally bought some tickets, 3 to be exact. The smart, polite lad that sold me the tickets, spent around 20 minutes chatting to me about his past military connections & the work that they do 'He gained 75 pence from my purchase' I feel that his efforts of standing in the freezing cold weather chatting about the organisation he supports & works with, whilst gaining funds... '25 Thousand pounds as stated on the company website' [I checked it out myself, just to confirm what he had said!] WELL GOOD ON THEM!!! [that doesn't even amount to Three pounds an hour on my calculator] & the bonus is INDIVIDUALS WILL benefit from this companies hard work!! Keep it up!!!
Individuals with tortious views will only make you stronger!! [b]

Which website is that? It can't be www.woundedwarriors.org.uk which has been 'Under Construction' since my post of 1 Feb so please provide a link to the one you have checked out.

N.B. Not to be confused with the Warrior Programme (www.warriorprogramme.org.uk), UK Registered Charity No. 1120893, mentioned by vampangua above.

I think people should really talk to these guys yourselves when you see them, instead of jumping to conclusions.......after about 15mins talking with one of the fundraisers it came to light that he had served in the forces and was deployed to the gulf where he lost a very good friend ...he has been working with combat stress.....now he does the fundraising and is very proud of what he does and enjoys it. He has found it very benificial mentally...I was told by them that they get 25p for every ticket they sell (not a lot really when you compare it to merchandise sold by charities) also there were two others with him, one of them was another exservice man.....what is the problem with exservice men raising funds for injured lads?? and gaining employment at the same time?? Unless anyone else has a job to give them (which there arn't many) So shouldn't we reserve judgement and let them do what thay can to help ???????

RE: Wounded Warriors. org. uk

Wounded Warriors IS NOT A CHARITY it is a limited company registered in Companies House on 12th December 2009

Having travelled the country doing promotions at shopping centres and town shows for many years, here is how I believe the company is run

Wounded Warriors sell raffle cards to self employed sellers at 20% of the face value, so each card gets the seller TWO POUNDS PROFIT. The team of sellers are responsable for finding venues to sell the tickets, they take the goodwill of shopping centres to get a space for FREE.

The sellers then dress as serving soldiers indeed the ones I saw had red berets with the Para's regiment emblem. They then state raising funds for wounded soldiers (which itself is illegal) As a limited company they can only say in support of.

The company will have many sellers making a couple of hundred quid a day each and thats why they travel all over the country.

The company will be selling thousands of tickets every week and they will of course have many costs including the directors wages etc etc, somewhere along the line some soldiers will be helped to justify the game, however its unclear how many and when the game ends

Personally I would doubt if 10p from each ticket actually reaches any injured soldiers.

I was working in a shopping centre and three wounded warrior ticket sellers were very close to me, when they asked me to buy a couple of tickets i declined and said I would rather give the money to H4H, they then told me not too as H4H were being investigated for fraud and it was a scam, this just confirmed to me that these guys were up to no good.

Not only did they take to goodwill of the public in the form of money but they also took the handshakes from the public who thanked them for doing such a good job in Afghanistan, that was the most sickening thing for me. Personally I would not give these guys any money, give it to H4H who are a registered charity and genuinely help injured soldiers

Next time you see the bodies of real heros coming home in coffins at Wooten Bassett, remeber the guys who sell competition cards and pretend to be serving soldiers should not be supported and you are not really helping an injured soldier but you are paying for the sellers mortgage.

If your still okay with that then spend away but please do not expect to win a car at the end of the month

If this is the kind of bullsh1t Hols4Heroes had to battle against for the apparent crime of not being a registered charity then I take my hat off to MDN for keeping it going.

Why don't you lot give it a fcuking rest with the walt hunting, aren't you tired? What exactly is your speculation going to achieve? The police were callled which was the right thing to do, nothing came of it, end of.

By continuing to defame something you know nothing about you may well be damaging a cause that could do a lot of good.

In fact as far as I am aware Hols4Heroes still isn't a charity. Are you going to drop MDN a PM a gob off at him? As WWP is based in the North West and so is Hols, why don't you ask him if he knows anything about it?

totally wrong with your accounts as only 25p is used as admin costs as all charities and not for profit fundraisers do recover these most including the big ones like the nspcc who only donate 8p out of evey pound.....as trading standards have been in to talk to the company and not found any problems with it....they went to the company because of an anonymous email by arthur Rowe from h4h contact him for the results if you do not believe me these results are openly avalable on the net to see stop jumping to conclusions and use your brain and reserch before opening mouth and doing damage to people who are trying to help others