Discuss Mobile Speed Cameras in Cars, Bikes 'n AFVs on The Army Rumour Service; Originally Posted by Hescoheed
...I am trying to confirm the average speed camera issue but it is possible that if you tuck in behind (too close) to a lorry or other vehicle the reg of ...
...I am trying to confirm the average speed camera issue but it is possible that if you tuck in behind (too close) to a lorry or other vehicle the reg of your vehicle cannot be read by the camera, so it takes 4 readings and knows which cameras did manage to take the number plate, and therefore the distance between those cameras and therfore also the time and a calculation of the average speed between those two cameras is taken, i.e. if there are 4 cameras then you average speed could be between cameras 1 &4, or 1&2 or 2&4 etc etc. Best thing to do is not speed at all through the road works............the workmen(if there are any about will thank you). The guys you see speeding through them are either total idiots and haven't seen them or don't understand the principles behind average speed cameras and think that if they only pass the camera at the speed limit they can do any speed in between.
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On this average speed thing, while I whole-heartedly agree on the readworks scenario ref the workers. Where they are used, as are others, for revenue generation however, then it is worth remembering that older types cover a single lane, therefore a lane change 'breaks lock' apparently. Should one have failed to notice ones entry into the 'zone'
Why not obey the speed limit? Especially when it has been snowing the last few days and the roads are greasy?
I always obey the limit but there are certain cameras I have a big issue with, one for example on the way to guildford from Aldershot, as you are entering guildford you are going down a hill with the speed limit at 30. I spend more time watching the speedo going downhill then I do the sodding road.
Two British traffic patrol officers from North Berwick were involved in an unusual incident, while checking for speeding motorists on the A-1 Great North Road .
One of the officers (who are not named) used a hand-held radar device to check the speed of a vehicle approaching over the crest of a hill, and was surprised when the speed was recorded at over 300mph. The machine then stopped working and the officers were not able to reset it.
The radar had in fact latched on to a NATO Tornado fighter jet over the North Sea , which was engaged in a low-flying exercise over the Border district.
Back at police headquarters the chief constable fired off a stiff complaint to the RAF Liaison office.
Back came the reply in true laconic RAF style. 'Thank you for your message, which allows us to complete the file on this incident. You may be interested to know that the tactical computer in the Tornado had automatically locked on to your 'hostile radar equipment' and sent a jamming signal back to it. Furthermore, the Sidewinder Air-to-ground missiles aboard the fully-armed aircraft had also locked on to the target. Fortunately the Dutch pilot flying the Tornado responded to the missile status alert intelligently and was able to override the automatic protection system before the missile was launched'.
Fortunately the Dutch pilot flying the Tornado responded to the missile status alert intelligently and was able to override the automatic protection system before the missile was launched
The RAF LO wouldn't make such a red top tabloid grabbing statement as that would he?
The story has been told in several ways in the past ranging from F4's to F15's.
I very much doubt the 'auotmatic protection system' would be able to pick up such a low powered laser as the speed gun has especially if he was up at FL nose bleed. If he was low level. What was he doing tooling around with live ordanance?
I look at these cases for a living and the best action you can take when zapped by a speed camera is to request the following information:
1) When was the device calibrated? and where is its certificate. I will guarantee the police force will comply and show you a nice cert. Check the serial number of the device with the one that was used....it might be a cert for a different device!!!!
The problem with Calibration cerificates is that they only show you that the device was reading fine on the date it was calibrated. For example If i bought a car on the 1st January 2007 with a valid MOT certificate and let's say that on the 1st July 2007 the exhaust fell off, the tyres were below the legal limit, there was a crack across the windscreen etc, such that the car would fail an MOT, but now lets just say I continue to drive the sh*t heap around without being caught by the Rozzers until the 31st December 2007 when I get all the car fixed up and MOT'd. I then sell that car to you on the 1st Jan 2008 with a valid MOT cert and even give you the previous one to show what a nice little runner it has been............actually for the past 6 months its been a poor runner with a number of things wrong with it. You'd not have a scooby about that unless the most up to date MOT cert was accompanied by the mechanics invoice to show what was done to the car to make it right. Its the same principle with the Calibration certs for the speed devices........and I've yet to come across a police force that will ask the calibration service people for the engineers report aswell!!!!! Any brave barristers/solicitors should be making this point in Court.
2) The ACPO codes of practice for speed enforcement technology should be rigorously adhered to. They are not suggestions they are the bible and superceed the maufacturer's instructions. There are one or 2 police forces who have camera enforcement/safety partnerships who think the ACPO CoP do not apply to them.........wrong and I enjoy challenging them in Court as their Chief Constable signed up for it and it is a joy watching CPS being invited to bring in the chief to give evidence on why his own force policy is not being complied with.
3) The ACPO codes of practice give specific monkey see monkey do instructions on how to calibrate the devices before and at the end of each shift/tour of duty. This should be recorded on either a specific proforma and/or the officers pocket notebook, and/or the video (if being used). Just because this might not be in their statement doesn't mean it hasn't happened but you'll need to request this information. Watch the officer's/CPSs face if this information hasn't been recorded properly.
4) The speed measuring devices are bloody accurate WHEN USED PROPERLY and IN ACCORDANCE WITH ACPO CoP. There is a bloke who reckons to have proved, on the telly, that these(LTI20:20) devices are inaccurate but he wasn't using it properly or in accordance with ACPO CoP. He is a complete chump. (I work independently so I am not biased towards the police)
5) Word of unofficial advice.......don't speed in Cleveland force area as the chaps in the unit there are very very good and the Ex-Black Watch bloke who runs the unit is very proud of his procedures and working practices. Cumbria need to have a word with themselves about adhering to ACPO CoP!!!!
Check out the link below if you want to know the score (I normally charge for the privelage of taking people through the document, but to you guys its free ):
I am trying to confirm the average speed camera issue but it is possible that if you tuck in behind (too close) to a lorry or other vehicle the reg of your vehicle cannot be read by the camera, so it takes 4 readings and knows which cameras did manage to take the number plate, and therefore the distance between those cameras and therfore also the time and a calculation of the average speed between those two cameras is taken, i.e. if there are 4 cameras then you average speed could be between cameras 1 &4, or 1&2 or 2&4 etc etc. Best thing to do is not speed at all through the road works............the workmen(if there are any about will thank you). The guys you see speeding through them are either total idiots and haven't seen them or don't understand the principles behind average speed cameras and think that if they only pass the camera at the speed limit they can do any speed in between.
Hope you find this info helpful
good post HH
Check out www.forums.pepipoo.com as well - there are forums for cameras, decriminalised parking and private parking tickets, etc they are a good set of lads n lasses on there....got me off my 2 parking tickets.
Never never pay a private parking ticket, they have NO LEGAL standing and very rarely get to court...save your hard earned brass, by way of private I mean ones issued by companies like Town and County parking or Excell parking, generally private parking companies operate at large shopping parks etc but if you goto pepipoo all will become clear
On the autoroutes in France, you take a date/time stamped ticket on entry and hand it in with your payment at the point of exit. The computer can work out from the distance travelled and time taken whether or not you've been speeding. All autoroutes have gendarmarie cover (many exits actually have gendarmarie posts). I am surprised West Midlands plod haven't twigged that on the M6 Toll road.
Watch out for all sorts of money-grabbing little scams if/when road pricing comes into force.
I'd prefer massive LED signs that shout "OI, BIKER REG X1234 XXX, SLOW DOWN BY TWENTY OR YOUR DEAD" at an accident blackspot.
But then they don't make money. They would only save lives.
Got to agree with the above point, also sticking a money making machine up on the side of the road just alienates the police, Although, most police officers it seems have just accepted that they are now more hated than lawyers and tax collectors. I used to believe the occupation of the police was to 'protect and serve' (I think is the American term) but now Dick Turpin rides again but this time with the love & backing of the government and haven't the police welcomed it with open arms.
So to a little story...
Once upon a time a police officer came into the village down the road parked his car at the back of some houses and hid behind a bush with just the speeding camera in view. A motorist came from the opposite direction and as he was bored stopped further down the road, and flagged down cars heading for the trap informing them of the copper around the corner. Eventually as the copper wasn't reaching his 'targets' he came down the road to find out why the cars where all doing the speed limit. He then threatened the motorist with preventing an officer undertaking his duty.
I've never really understood that as I thought the police where there to prevent crime not just catch the criminals if he had stood where the motorist was he would have done the same job slowing down the traffic. Those that ignored him well that would be different and suffer the full weight of the law. A few visits like that and people would at least think.
I think my views must be very out dated.
Probably going to have people flame me but then I'm sure if I think others agree