- 09-04-2012, 10:05 #21
Good stuff. Fills in a lot of blanks. Many thanks for this - I'm copying and printing it off.
- 09-04-2012, 10:15 #22
Thank you - that was a fascinating insight. No wonder premiums are going up so much. Before reading this, the general impression was that the insurers were just paying up without checking, and
the referral system was making it worse.Mag to Grid - Get Rid
- 09-04-2012, 10:44 #23
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- Nov 2004
Just a quick one.
Are digitial phots the same as film when it comes to evidence?
And what abut the evidence gathered from Road Hawk and similar devices?
- 09-04-2012, 12:20 #24
An excellent series of posts Arte .... like others I have also printed them off ... thanks .There are those who know .... those who don't know .... but the most annoying , outspoken and dangerous are ....
those who don't know they don't know .
- 09-04-2012, 12:45 #25
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- No longer six inches up the arsehole of England
Arte - fantastic.
Any more? Any "pull up a sandbag" stories from the days? Its bloody fascinating stuff.There is no question so obviously stupid that it prevents one supposedly intelligent human from asking it of another.
Likewise, there is no human problem that cannot be solved by the correct application of the appropriate quantity of high explosive, the suitable quantity being derived by the Formula P, where P = "plenty"
Nobody ever imagined a bunch of Orcs would steal a database table...
- 09-04-2012, 12:49 #26
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This is a really interesting thread, and now has me paranoid about what I should carry in my car when out driving in UK.Carpe Diem
- 09-04-2012, 12:53 #27
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- Hong Kong
Sorry guys - what's Road Hawk?
[Edited to add]
OK, Google is my friend - Roadhawk UK Home page - RoadHawk Driver Safety Camera"YOU - Assume the position!"
- 09-04-2012, 13:08 #28
But, as you've read, the chances of a slam on actually making it to Court are next to nil. However a Solicitor would be a complete fool if he looked at the photographs and video footage presented to him by an Investigator and continued the claim.
In reality it works like this.
Once investigative evidence has been presented to the Insurers they fire off a letter to the Third Party claimant explaining that they are declining the claim, and cancelling the Policy. If the Third Party has a problem with that they are to contact a Solicitor.
Most give up at this point and move on. Those who wish to counterclaim take on a brief, and the hard evidence is sent to their offices. Often, an Investigator attends the Solicitors and interviews the claimant, with the photographic, video and other assorted evidence the claim is quietly dropped.
Take photographs, use the video, as at the end of the day, and explained above, this will piss off a Third Party fraudster on the roadside (no bad thing, as he will not attack you or grab your camera, he really REALLY doesn't want the Police chatting to, and checking him out) and may well negate the start of any claim proceedings at all.
If everybody did this, the paymasters of slam on gangs will be, praise Allah, verily upset, and heads will roll.If you are an ex-serviceman or woman who wants to network mutual commercial interests, you can PM me for an invite to join the new ARRSE Business Group.
- 09-04-2012, 13:15 #29
I have a heap of case files, so I'll dig out a couple of the more interesting ones and post them up. I can't talk in detail about the West London Afghani case though, it could still get to court, as my predecessors are continually updating the Insurers on that one.If you are an ex-serviceman or woman who wants to network mutual commercial interests, you can PM me for an invite to join the new ARRSE Business Group.
- 09-04-2012, 13:23 #30
To be honest old boy, I haven't looked, but I'd be surprised if there are any recent cases. Fraud Investigation is a murky world and full of murky (that included me) characters, and the Insurers really do not like having the dirty washing hanging out in public.
I've only really covered the basics on this thread, but as it's a subject close to my heart and I'm no longer in the game, (and as I stated above) I'll happily dig out some real life cases from 5 or 6 years ago if you fancy a read.If you are an ex-serviceman or woman who wants to network mutual commercial interests, you can PM me for an invite to join the new ARRSE Business Group.