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    Quote Originally Posted by dockers View Post
    Hmm! I'm going either squirrel or kamov type?
    No must try harder

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    Mil Mi-38. Planned to be the replacement for Mi 8/17s
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    Sorry, Jim, no idea!

    However I have a couple of questions about civil aviation that I'm sure one of our more knowledgeable posters can answer.

    The other day someone asked me how Graham Hill died and I, of course, said he'd flown into the ground near Elstree in 1975. Now I'd always thought that Hill hadn't reset his altimeter to the local QNH but decided to check anyway. After reading the AAIB report
    http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...6%20N6645Y.pdf
    It seems that he had simply flown into the ground, admittedly in very poor conditions (although he was instrument rated).

    But that's not all I gleaned from the report. His Piper Turbo Aztec still bore the American registration N6645Y although it had been removed from the US register two years previously and had never been registered with any other authority.

    So, my questions are:
    1. Is it legal to fly an unregistered aircraft and if not, how did Hill get away with it?
    2. He must have had hangerage and maintenance and must have filed innumerable flight plans so why wasn't the lack of registration picked up?
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    Don't usually play but I've been looking for some inspiration to add to 1/72 scale models collection so: AS 350?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The-Lord-Flasheart View Post
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    I have no answers - but being an avid F1 fan in that hot summer of 76 and well before, I remember what a shock it was that Graham Hill dobbed in like that - and his 5 passengers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pongo6863 View Post
    Sorry, Jim, no idea!

    However I have a couple of questions about civil aviation that I'm sure one of our more knowledgeable posters can answer.

    The other day someone asked me how Graham Hill died and I, of course, said he'd flown into the ground near Elstree in 1975. Now I'd always thought that Hill hadn't reset his altimeter to the local QNH but decided to check anyway. After reading the AAIB report
    http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...6%20N6645Y.pdf
    It seems that he had simply flown into the ground, admittedly in very poor conditions (although he was instrument rated).

    But that's not all I gleaned from the report. His Piper Turbo Aztec still bore the American registration N6645Y although it had been removed from the US register two years previously and had never been registered with any other authority.

    So, my questions are:
    1. Is it legal to fly an unregistered aircraft and if not, how did Hill get away with it?
    2. He must have had hangerage and maintenance and must have filed innumerable flight plans so why wasn't the lack of registration picked up?
    If you get a copy of the " Civil Aircraft Markings" you will find that there are quit a number of aircraft that retain their previous number this can be for a number of reasons such as historic, the location of corporate headquarters, leased aircraft, and of course tax reasons. At the moment there seem to be a great many ex Eastern Block military aircraft flying about still with their old reg number

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    Hill'is aircraft wasn't leased it was owned and operated by his own company based in the Bahamas. It wasn't historic and it certainly wasn't Eastern Block or military. It had been removed, by request, from the US register and never re-registered anywhere.
    If this is legal then what's to stop someone buying several identical aircraft, registering one then unregistering it and applying the old reg. to all the others. I know the Israelis had several Cessna 150s with the same reg. in the '60s but that was done by the government...
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    Before about the 1982 you could register anything Plastic bag,kite, toy plane, but as this aircraft was " based in the Bahamas it would have retained it's US number and just been signed onto the Bahamian register, nothing unusual in that, lot of aircraft based there would retain the old markings, I don't think the Bahamas has it's own markings,

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    is it me or does the Mi-38 rather similar in appearance to the EH101?
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