ARmy Rumour SErvice

**seaweed** · 23-04-2012, 08:38

Kiwi Army was in Greece in 1941. A Kiwi cousin if mine is still there.

**Pitswamper** · 23-04-2012, 08:55

So basically the radio show panel were discussing a book by an Ex Australian Army Officer and Department of Veterans Affairs historian and agreeing with what he had written. From a Noo Zild paper....

The pair were part of a panel discussing a book by former Australian army officer and Department of Veterans Affairs historian Graham Wilson last Thursday.

The book, Bully Beef and Balderdash, set out to debunk many Australian Gallipoli myths.
Mr Wilson is quoied in the Sydney Morning Herald as saying....

''We were not a disciplined fighting force like the British, or even the New Zealanders, and had an appalling discipline record,'' he told the Sydney Morning Herald.

"In terms of fighting skill, the Turks we fought at Gallipoli were much better soldiers and it wasn't until 1917 that the Australians became an effective fighting force.''

So the usual half of the story newspaper outrage bus drama.

**theoriginalphantom** · 23-04-2012, 09:01

Originally Posted by seaweed

Kiwi Army was in Greece in 1941. A Kiwi cousin if mine is still there.

Does your cousin know that particular war has ended?

**baboon6** · 23-04-2012, 09:05

Here's more on Wilson's book:

Historians argue the Anzac legend is more pork pies than bully beef

and a review of one of the other books mentioned in the above article, ANZAC'S DIRTY DOZEN: 12 Myths of Australian Military History.

Read more: A counter to the cult of Anzac

**filthyphil** · 23-04-2012, 09:13

Originally Posted by seaweed

Kiwi Army was in Greece in 1941. A Kiwi cousin if mine is still there.

He must have really made a cunt of himself in customs.

**seaweed** · 23-04-2012, 09:31

I didn't make myself clear, obviously. My cousin lies in Phaleron War Cemetery, grave 8.C.4. The cemetery is about about 5 km west of Athens International airport.

**samain11** · 23-04-2012, 10:04

Originally Posted by beetroot4000

So when are you useless Aussies going to claim New Zealand as part of Australia so Maoris can stop claiming everything and our politicians giving our country away?
We need a bit of Aussie racism.

I used to have a lot of banter with an aussie colleague from Brisbane, when I started on the mass murder of aboriginies he said.."thats where you're wrong mate...we weren't Australians then, we were English settlers ".... wriggling sod should have gone into politics.

**Crash** · 23-04-2012, 10:09

How could any Australian be convicted or murdering an Aborigine, as they weren't recognised a citizens (and therefore have a legal identity) until 1967...

Shameful

**filthyphil** · 23-04-2012, 10:10

Originally Posted by seaweed

I didn't make myself clear, obviously. My cousin lies in Phaleron War Cemetery, grave 8.C.4. The cemetery is about about 5 km west of Athens International airport.

Did you know him?

**samain11** · 23-04-2012, 10:13

Originally Posted by IndianaDel

My Father, a former Royal Engineer who never made any pretensions to military greatness, has always been much more complimentary about the New Zealand troop/platoon that he served with in Korea (as part of the Commonwealth Division 1953), than he was about the Australians.
That is not to say that he was negative about the Australians. Rather he said (paraphrasing) the Kiwi's did less talking and more doing.

He also seemed to have had a high opinion about the Turks and how tough the (South) Korean troops were too. So no doubt he was completely wrong and the Australians have been World beaters since Breaker Morant.

P.S. His comments about Jack Russels as man killers that had to be destroyed when they sailed for Hong Kong, must have meant they were Australian too.

My old boy was a tankie in Korea with 1 RTR, he told me that the only thing he agreed with the Chinese about was shooting Turks, something to do with their gentle treatment of Korean civilians I believe.