Do you support the BNP?

**Sixty** · 24-10-2009, 16:27

Originally Posted by Biped

Interesting and lively debate as it is, I have to say, Maple, you are a *$^$Â£Â£ licking, $Â£%-sucking Â£$^%Â£$ing lefty, twisted, ^*$*%$ bellend, who wouldn't know your own $Â£^%"!! arrse if it was handed to you on a $*""Â£$ing gilded plate.

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He's really not. He's someone who's virulently anti-BNP. I happen to think he may have picked the wrong target in Fallschirmjager since Fall has never said he supports them but Maple's posts come from emotion and should be viewed as such.

I agree with him (in regards to the BNP, whom I despise) but not with his railing at some of the posters on here.

**Fallschirmjager** · 24-10-2009, 16:31

Originally Posted by Sixty

He's really not. He's someone who's virulently anti-BNP. I happen to think he may have picked the wrong target in Fallschirmjager since Fall has never said he supports them but Maple's posts come from emotion and should be viewed as such.

I agree with him (in regards to the BNP, whom I despise) but not with his railing at some of the posters on here.

The bloke is a fucking cock! He doesn't know his arse from his elbow. He obviously picked on the wrong bloke considering I won the debate. Goody me!

**Markintime** · 24-10-2009, 16:34

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Originally Posted by Markintime

I saw some figures the other day that indicated that approximately 20,000 asylum seekers come here a year. The biggest problem I have is that those who aren't granted asylum are allowed to stay in this country and disappear into the system whilst on 'bail'. They should make falsely claiming asylum a criminal offence and detain failed asylum seekers for the 24 hours required to get them on the next plane out. It is the fact that so many failed asylum seekers are allowed to remain here that makes Britain so attractive. Start booting out the failures and pretty soon you're just going to have the genuine ones applying.

And this is why the BNP are getting so much support at present. Because they're the only ones who are stating that they'll do something about it! If the Conservatives once in power get a grip of this situation then the BNP will die a death big time.

I think the Conservatives need to nail their colours to the mast now, not when they get in power. At the moment they are just another slightly left-of-centre party who are trying to be all things to all men. If they make a stance on unfettered immigration and make it from a rational socio-economic stand point they will sweep the next elections with a landslide.

**the_boy_syrup** · 24-10-2009, 16:36

Originally Posted by Sixty

Originally Posted by Biped

Interesting and lively debate as it is, I have to say, Maple, you are a *$^$Â£Â£ licking, $Â£%-sucking Â£$^%Â£$ing lefty, twisted, ^*$*%$ bellend, who wouldn't know your own $Â£^%"!! arrse if it was handed to you on a $*""Â£$ing gilded plate.

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He's really not. He's someone who's virulently anti-BNP. I happen to think he may have picked the wrong target in Fallschirmjager since Fall has never said he supports them but Maple's posts come from emotion and should be viewed as such.

I agree with him (in regards to the BNP, whom I despise) but not with his railing at some of the posters on here.

But don't you think thats the problem ?
If someone does try and discuss it they are immediatly dismissed as a rasict
Personally from what I have seen the Anti Nazi league are just a bunch of thugs to but they seem to have some sort of moral right to go mental

At least Griffin (and now i won't vote for him) has brought it out into the open

**Fallschirmjager** · 24-10-2009, 16:37

Originally Posted by Markintime

I think the Conservatives need to nail their colours to the mast now, not when they get in power. At the moment they are just another slightly left-of-centre party who are trying to be all things to all men. If they make a stance on unfettered immigration and make it from a rational socio-economic stand point they will sweep the next elections with a landslide.

But they know they've already won anyway! They don't have to do anything in regards to the immigration issue to win the next election. If they don't that is going to be a bad thing for the country in the long run I imagine. I can see race riots on a large scale starting within a few years if nothing is done. Let's hope they get a grip.

**BaldBaBoon** · 24-10-2009, 16:40

I do not want to really come into the discussion and moan...Doom,Doom,we are all doomed..

But in all honesty were fecked when it comes to immigration and asylum as of this point.Even going by the " offical " numbers,we have a crititical mass in immigration/asylum/illegals that there is nothing we as a nation can do about it anymore.

We have no effective border controls,we cannot keep people out and when they do arrive it is proving impossible to remove them..especially when you have the Justice department ruling in favour of Visa abusers because they own a cat!

The asylum ruse is an utter sham

If I was in fear of my life and more importantly my family was at risk....I would move hell and earth to get me and my loved ones as quickly and safely as possible to the nearest port of refuge.

I would not travel across half a dozen perfectly secure nations on my own,leaving my loved ones in harms way to rock up at a particular nation that has international reknown as being paved in gold.....with milk and honey handouts as to the way it treats asylum seekrs etc.

Then when I have got myself settled,got a mobile phone and nice clothes and maybe a cash in hand job,think.......Oh I best send for the rest of the family,or fly out the country that i fled because I feared for my life and get them now.

That is almost a standard blueprint for UK sham asylum seekers,and diverts stretched resources and public sympathy for the real deserving cases.

**THEY_STOOD_IN_THE_DOOR** · 24-10-2009, 16:40

i've just read through this thread, and cant believe what a shaty kids playground fight this has become. whatching question time the other night- i couldn't believe griffen got off so lightly!! and that was because the questions didnt test him and become 'lets ave ago at griffen time'

firstly - i dont, wont or want to vote BNP but what if i voted BNP? who cares? if thats my choice - then whats it got to do with you?

i didnt vote labour or ever have but they've sent me to iraq and afghan. i agree more with some of the BNP's ideas than thoughs of the present govt - that has deployed me all over the world - but im not that solid to vote for a party that may speak some sence amongst aload of shat.

if men and women are to be deployed - then they should be allowed to vote for who ever they like - becase it is that winning party that will send them.

if your 18 and old enough, wise enough, trusted enough to fight and posible die for your country - then your old enough, wise enough, trusted enough to vote for who ever you want.

thats called democary - thats what we're meant to fighting for??

**StickyEnd** · 24-10-2009, 16:43

Originally Posted by Sixty

Originally Posted by Biped

Interesting and lively debate as it is, I have to say, Maple, you are a *$^$Â£Â£ licking, $Â£%-sucking Â£$^%Â£$ing lefty, twisted, ^*$*%$ bellend, who wouldn't know your own $Â£^%"!! arrse if it was handed to you on a $*""Â£$ing gilded plate.

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He's really not. He's someone who's virulently anti-BNP. I happen to think he may have picked the wrong target in Fallschirmjager since Fall has never said he supports them but Maple's posts come from emotion and should be viewed as such.

I agree with him (in regards to the BNP, whom I despise) but not with his railing at some of the posters on here.

Fine, but I think that he is a pillock that uses the racist retort as a knee jerk reaction. I am anti BNP, but they have right to free speach, until they incite violence.

**Awol** · 24-10-2009, 16:43

Originally Posted by Markintime

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Originally Posted by Markintime

I saw some figures the other day that indicated that approximately 20,000 asylum seekers come here a year. The biggest problem I have is that those who aren't granted asylum are allowed to stay in this country and disappear into the system whilst on 'bail'. They should make falsely claiming asylum a criminal offence and detain failed asylum seekers for the 24 hours required to get them on the next plane out. It is the fact that so many failed asylum seekers are allowed to remain here that makes Britain so attractive. Start booting out the failures and pretty soon you're just going to have the genuine ones applying.

And this is why the BNP are getting so much support at present. Because they're the only ones who are stating that they'll do something about it! If the Conservatives once in power get a grip of this situation then the BNP will die a death big time.

I think the Conservatives need to nail their colours to the mast now, not when they get in power. At the moment they are just another slightly left-of-centre party who are trying to be all things to all men. If they make a stance on unfettered immigration and make it from a rational socio-economic stand point they will sweep the next elections with a landslide.

Unless Labour do it first.

**Sixty** · 24-10-2009, 16:48

Originally Posted by THEY_STOOD_IN_THE_DOOR

firstly - i dont, wont or want to vote BNP but what if i voted BNP? who cares? if thats my choice - then whats it got to do with you?

You're correct: entirely your choice and no-one else's business.

However, given that Griffin went on TV and stated that almost all of the Army supported the BNP, is it not worth taking a quick poll (not that the site speaks for the entire Army of course) to gauge the level of support?

Hearteningly, the seems to correspond with the national average with about 5 - 6% support and pre-empts any 'squaddie website overwhelmingly support BNP' sensationalism and allows us to have a reasonably grown-up debate.

**THEY_STOOD_IN_THE_DOOR** · 24-10-2009, 16:49

just 1 on FJ's pic - i take it some of you most know the german paratrooper personally and his policial views - to call him a nazi paratrooper?

just if there's an iraq inquest - and we find out that the 2003 invation of iraq was illegal - and the then govt is held responable - tech that makes them war criminals - does that make me a labour war criminal paratrooper? cos i dont vote for them, or believe them - but i was there???

**BaldBaBoon** · 24-10-2009, 16:54

They-Stood-in-the-door

Do not want to worry you mate about the war crimes thing,but considering all the human rights crap that the government have signed up to......you might want to look for an alibi for those 6 months or more you were out there.

Chin,Chin....wouldnt worry too much,the government always looks after its boys.

**StickyEnd** · 24-10-2009, 16:56

Originally Posted by THEY_STOOD_IN_THE_DOOR

just 1 on FJ's pic - i take it some of you most know the german paratrooper personally and his policial views - to call him a nazi paratrooper?

just if there's an iraq inquest - and we find out that the 2003 invation of iraq was illegal - and the then govt is held responable - tech that makes them war criminals - does that make me a labour war criminal paratrooper? cos i dont vote for them, or believe them - but i was there???

FFS! Grow up! Who is calling FSJ a Nazi? If you bothered to count you would only need to take 1 glove off. And that "1" is an idiot.

Calm down, carry on.

**THEY_STOOD_IN_THE_DOOR** · 24-10-2009, 16:56

Originally Posted by Sixty

Originally Posted by THEY_STOOD_IN_THE_DOOR

firstly - i dont, wont or want to vote BNP but what if i voted BNP? who cares? if thats my choice - then whats it got to do with you?

You're correct: entirely your choice and no-one else's business.

However, given that Griffin went on TV and stated that almost all of the Army supported the BNP, is it not worth taking a quick poll (not that the site speaks for the entire Army of course) to gauge the level of support?

Hearteningly, the seems to correspond with the national average with about 5 - 6% support and pre-empts any 'squaddie website overwhelmingly support BNP' sensationalism and allows us to have a reasonably grown-up debate.

fair one - reasonable - possibly, grown up - never.

i once got told - never ask some one about religon or politics!

**stacker1** · 24-10-2009, 16:58

Originally Posted by Sixty

Hearteningly, the seems to correspond with the national average with about 5 - 6% support and pre-empts any 'squaddie website overwhelmingly support BNP' sensationalism and allows us to have a reasonably grown-up debate.

With another 12% thinking about it.

So (if the poll is realistic) thats approx 6000 members of the army voting for the BNP and and another 12000 who might. Which is strange because when I joined up most young soldiers couldn't care less about voting for anyone, Something must have made them change their minds.