I like the name "Outrage"... because we are and you should be. :D

Originally Posted by LancePrivateJones

Biped,
I have kept out of this debate thus far but I must say (tinfoil hat aside) that I agree with you.
Stonewall has very close links with NuLabour and have held a lot of influence over the Govt since Blair won the '97 election.
One of Stonewall's founders Michael Cashman (of 1980's Eastenders fame), is currently an MEP representing NuLab in Europe so the links between the two are quite clear.
Former Chairman/Woman/Person Angela Mason (ex-Angry Brigade, remember them?) was one of Red Ken's hangers on, she was awarded an OBE by Blair's Govt in 1999, she got a CBE off him in 2007.
Ben Summerskill succeeded Mason and he was awarded an OBE this year by Brown. Lord Summerskill next I presume.

They are not a nice organisation and are not in the slightest interested in equality, they pride themselves on being militant.
They do not involve themselves in debate either, they just tell people what they should do and what they should think.

Hopefully the next Govt will kick them into touch.

Stonewall Equality Limited
Sex
Posted by user23 (user23) on Jan 25 2009
Charities >> Sex

UK Charity Number: 1101255

Website: http://www.stonewall.org.uk/
Stated Aims

Stonewall registers no aims with the Charity Commission, but their website states the following...

Stonewall was founded in 1989 by a small group of women and men who had been active in the struggle against Section 28 of the Local Government Act.

Section 28 was an offensive piece of legislation designed to prevent the so-called 'promotion' of homosexuality in schools; as well as stigmatising gay people it also galvanised the gay community.

The aim from the outset was to create a professional lobbying group that would prevent such attacks on lesbians, gay men and bisexuals from ever occurring again. Stonewall has subsequently put the case for equality on the mainstream political agenda by winning support within all the main political parties and now has offices in England, Scotland and Wales.

Context

Submitted to the site after being mentioned in a typically hysterical Daily Mail article.
Details

In 2007, Stonewall received a total of £2,883,267, mostly from various other opaque and not-so-opaque charitable trusts and foundations of one sort and another. However, it did receive a good chunk of its funding (23.6%) from the state.

* Department of Trade & Industry: £303,641
* Scottish Executive: £253,845
* The Equal Opportunities Commission: £9,000
* Welsh Assembly Government: £115,382
* ---
* Total: £681,868 (23.6% of all income)

My bold.
Source : http://fakecharities.org/pages/posts...ring=stonewall

Originally Posted by Biped

For everyone out there, I am coming to the alarming conclusion, as other have already that this whole attack on ARRSE, with police involvement, Stonewall and the LBGT, has the marks of government on them, and more specifically, Mandelson.

I tend to agree as ARRSE is and long may it continue to be to whichever party in power a thorn in the side of government neglect of the military budget capability and those who have served or are serving. ARRSE cannot topple governments or make policy all we can do is keep thing out in the open were the general public can see if they choose what is written between the lines. No government like that too much!

I would like to clarify one thing though Biped LGBT is not a group it just describes or groups differing sexual minority communities using the four letter's as compound acronym, just as BDSM is used.

BDSM is a compound acronym derived from the terms bondage and discipline (B&D, B/D, or BD), dominance and submission (D&s, D/s, or Ds), sadism and masochism (S&M, S/M, or SM)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM

Stonewall only use LGB so diverse acceptance is all ready thrown aside by the champions of diversity.


So back to divide and rule, tin foil bonnet on 'Ashie Parapuke Sven AKA the multi account thread derailer'? Where in such a important political debate as freedom of speech and defense of the Volk and not a sign...'tin foil bonnet off.

It got very heated the last few days and who ever is realy at the heart of this worked well some of us now have lost the trust of others the cry of MOLE has us all looking for a NAME or an AGENDA that doubtfully exists, McCarthyism at its best. PM me for slanderous conspiracy theory's on his identity.

As i say i agree that with biped that perhaps labour are using cheap, uncontrolled and uncensored to a greater degree internet to sew the seed of just crap and fear. And then there are there friends the professional pressure groups.



Supposedly Stonewall is there to represent my 'minority' voice and to see that i am treated as equally as others...i have split there About statement into two important parts.

1.

Stonewall was founded in 1989 by a small group of women and men who had been active in the struggle against Section 28 of the Local Government Act.

Section 28 was an offensive piece of legislation designed to prevent the so-called 'promotion' of homosexuality in schools; as well as stigmatising gay people it also galvanised the gay community.

http://www.stonewall.org.uk/about_us/2532.asp

Laudable aims bring together the differing elements of the gay community to say we have as much right to live as you. Section 28 was another badly drafted, corrosive and rubbish piece of legislation that left many children even more isolated by who and what they were.

2.

The aim from the outset was to create a professional lobbying group that would prevent such attacks on lesbians, gay men and bisexuals from ever occurring again. Stonewall has subsequently put the case for equality on the mainstream political agenda by winning support within all the main political parties and now has offices in England, Scotland and Wales.

http://www.stonewall.org.uk/about_us/2532.asp

My bad didn't read the small print and so it would seem as with many things started with good intension's and a just cause that professionally didn't just mean preparing a reasoned case to allow the majority to see we were just like them how ever we didnt get to choose who we find sexually attractive!

So wee have stonewall a group i once turned to for support in an assault case being made against me and they blew me off... thanks guys great protection.

so what really is stonewall...

i will let this links tell there story better than i ever could...

http://www.stonewall.org.uk/workplace/2524.asp

Fees

Our fees range from £500 to £1,000 per day depending on the nature of the work and the Consultant required. All consulting work includes a discussion with the client in order to define your needs and the submission of a consulting proposal setting out what is to be delivered, the outcomes and the detail of who will deliver this, including the number of days and cost entailed to be agreed with the client in advance.

http://www.stonewall.org.uk/about_us/3083.asp
then select job opportunities

Job Opportunities
Stonewall Treasurer

Stonewall is now recruiting for a Treasurer to succeed Paul Milledge. Paul has seen our annual income grow from £1.4m in 2003 to more than £3m today and our reserves grow from £11,000 to almost £1.5m within the same period.

This is a key post on our trustee body for a chartered accountant who can help support our finance function but who also wants to support the remarkable work in which we are engaged.

For details on how to apply please read the application pack below.

Now compare liberty who represent us all and there a charity?
http://www.liberty-human-rights.org....ver-done.shtml


So long post and one that i make with some concern that it is to start some backlash against group X by group D. Only reasoned debate from all points of view once more can win against censorship and fears...

Also for those who doubt just how much earth labor wish to scorch then watch downfall, in many ways the role of speer and Mandleson are not only visually similar. I will leave you to make your own mind on that but Hitler! If he hadn't killed himself would no doubt have hung, while speer walked away from the bunker and lived ...


edited formation spelling doubt fully wont be the only ones i have missed.

Originally Posted by EX_STAB

In 2007, Stonewall received a total of £2,883,267, mostly from various other opaque and not-so-opaque charitable trusts and foundations of one sort and another. However, it did receive a good chunk of its funding (23.6%) from the state.

* Department of Trade & Industry: £303,641
* Scottish Executive: £253,845
* The Equal Opportunities Commission: £9,000
* Welsh Assembly Government: £115,382
* ---
* Total: £681,868 (23.6% of all income)

My bold.
Source : http://fakecharities.org/pages/posts...ring=stonewall[/quote]

Why would the DTI "donate" £300k?

Or the Welsh and Scots?

Obviously I can see why that waste of space the EOC would pay, although I am surprised it is so little.

Originally Posted by Biped

Having given the matter some more thought, and after discussing the matter with another, I have clarified the issue in my mind some more, and thus decided to 'do a Royal Irish' . . . . I've got another morally uplifting rant. :D One that I hope will put this in perspective, and put the militant queers in Stonewall and the LGBT back in the box where they belong.

I am fascinated by the things that drive us, motivate us, and the myriad battles we face each day, and the hurdles we overcome. Some fall by the wayside, some fight on, and some couldn't care less about themselves or others, and it's this weaving of this tapestry that fascinates.

I find that by understanding others, we can know ourselves better, and it follows that, when we do understand ourselves better, without the tinted specs, we can respect others more, and give them the freedom to be. It is indeed ignorance and the subsequent fear that leads us to deny others and their freedoms.

Everyone is guilty of it, and not only the majority, but minority groups too. In elements of the membership of ARRSE, they post offensive things out of that fear, of that ignorance. Stonewall and the LGBT had an opportunity to engage those people and turn on the light. They had an opportunity to build something, just as LEGS, Jarrod and others have done by their continued presence and honesty. These members were and are helping the people slay their demons of ignorance and fear. LGBT and Stonewall have set that back, they've re-introduced a 'wall' between those who are happy to try and understand, and accept and those that insist that they must be treated differently to everyone else. I thought it logical that people with lifestyle/gender choices different from the majority would want others to understand and accept that choice, accept them as a person and thus treat them no differently to anyone else. Stonewall is divisive in this respect, as it seeks to divide rather than unite all communities into a common acceptance.

ARRSE is almost unique, not because it is a military forum, but because of the diversity of its members, a diversity that stems from the glorious way our armed forces throw people of all walks of life and experience together, and then makes them work together succesfully in the most arduous of conditions - the conditions of war, abject poverty, misery in all parts of the globe. This army 'interfaces' with every culture, nation and language the world over, and is respected the world over. The British armed forces unites disparate people like no other organisation in the world. If you think about it, the British Army has a membership, not only of males and females, gay and straight, but of just about every race there is, as well as nationals from many other countries, as well as every religion and background, from the most deprived neighbourhoods in the country, to the largest country estates, from the wealthiest families to the poorest, from the best educated to those that can barely read and write. These varied people don't merely exist together for brief periods in an office before heading back to their own walled communities or ghettos in the evening, they integrate seemlessly into a larger, highly efficient organisation, where the ethos of the members is unity, of watching out for each other, come rain, shine or a well-armed and motivated enemy that would kill them. This integration occurs 24/7, 365 days, across the globe, in trenches and ditches, barracks and bars and has done for centuries. There's a unity of purpose, of mindset, of integrity that the people who run Stonewall completely fail to grasp, and if they did, could only aspire to in their wildest dreams. The membership of ARRSE comes from that Army.

It begs the question on the matter between ARRSE and the like of Stonewall - who is the ignorant? Who needs to wake up, smell the coffee and accept? Which organisation is it that is completely outclassed at every level, and thus fearful, envious and spiteful?

It is not the membership of ARRSE, nor that of the British Army that is ignorant, narrow-minded or fearful. It is not the membership of ARRSE, nor that of the British Army that seeks to divide or oppress the freedoms of others. ARRSE and the British Army encourages ALL people to speak as they find. On ARRSE and in the British Army, NO subject is taboo, and no person is excluded. At its hub are places like the NAAFI.

This rant, this thread and the response of the membership of ARRSE to this threat to their freedom to speak as they find, to discuss and debate without fear, mock all without favour should be taken on board by the LGBT, by Stonewall and for that matter, the police monitoring this site for thought crime. There's a lesson, an important one here. Read, digest, and in the politest possible terms, if you fail to grasp the message, learn from it, come on on this forum and APOLOGISE, then you take your divisive and exclusive agenda and stick it up your ARRSE.

Biped,
That reads like poetry and i'm sure sums up how the majority of us feel.

I think things have changed so much in my life-time, people are much more tolerant these days of many things. It wasn't easy to mention my sexuality when I was younger due to my father, brothers and friends all believing gays should be rounded up and shot. It was no surprise I didn't mention it. The only people that knew about me being gay were trusted colleagues. Time moves on and people who did think they hated gays come into contact with them and then it moves their position. It gets a bit like I hate gays but s/he is ok, then in time I guess it gets to maybe, well they are ok, but as long as they don't pursue me. Then for most people they just don't care. I'm not sure though that this process isn't just part of getting older and wiser.
I have no idea whether it is easier for younger people these days as I don't tend to associate that much with younger people and I don't go to gay bars.
Somebody mentioned 'Love thy neighbour' it's just the same and as a child my parents warned me not to go near black people (N******) because they'd steal me. If my parents had a disagreement my mother would threaten to run away with a 'Darkie'
As a child in a pit town there was no black people or asians, then at secondary school a black lad moved to our school. It seemed everyone was fascinated. It was like something you read in history about the first white person some people had seen in an African country. We were curious as to why the palms of his hands or the soles of his feet weren't also black.
My mother used to like to see black people on tv singing and dancing as she knew they had natural rhythm - but still we were warned to steer clear of them.
The things my mother used to say, she no longer does, she has come into contact with black people and is very tolerant now.
A lot of the stuff spouted about homophobia is frankly wrong in my opinion, not many people hate someone for being gay, i'd wager some people just don't like the idea of it; this is quite different.
The sexual practices of some arrsers are quite distasteful to me and I don't understand some of what they do, I'd never hate them for what they do in bed - or out of it.
If arrsers were truly homophobic wouldn't they have tracked gay members down, lured them on a crawl and batterred the fcuk out of them?
In fact, quite the opposite occurs and I've met some truly lovely people who if I had a problem I could turn to. I'd have no hesitation of ringing any arrser in my phone at any time night or day knowing they would help me.
I've met some lovely people off this site who I am very proud to call friends.
No homophobia to see here - move along please.

Originally Posted by jarrod248

If arrsers were truly homophobic wouldn't they have tracked gay members down, lured them on a crawl and batterred the fcuk out of them?

No Arrser's would have gone the crawl piled Halo with loads of drink and begged to watch her and her missus later on

Originally Posted by DesktopCommando

Originally Posted by jarrod248

If arrsers were truly homophobic wouldn't they have tracked gay members down, lured them on a crawl and batterred the fcuk out of them?

No Arrser's would have gone the crawl piled Halo with loads of drink and begged to watch her and her missus later on

Jarrod stating the truth... crawls have a common theme... raise cash for our charidys sometimes, to let those and there wifes partners etc turn up and talk predominately crap about the army... funny that the heart of is was and will be our service in the forces first and foremost ARRSE

'Desktop' Find me a willing partner in crime and a 'TOP' thats up for it and ensure you sign a limited liability waiver for the mental trauma...

Not that i will behave like that when i go to the coneheadland BBQ in august.

Interesting times afoot then?
Perhaps.
Personally I think the whole thing has been a tad blown out of proportion.
After reading this thread from start to finish I have seen some very good posts, some ludicrous and some pointless (much like this one :D ).
Ok, so the site has been caught out and has had a big slap on the wrist. Am I the only one who is almost surprised that this hasn't happened before? I mean come on, look through some of the older NAAFI threads or best of NAAFI. The sick joke collections etc etc.
I, like most of the users on here, am annoyed that the site has been 'caught'. What does this mean?
It means we have to be a little bit more careful about what we post if we want the site to continue. Hopefully thats about it.
Thank god the grown-ups have decided not to have a complete brain fart and allow those of a different persuasion to have their own threads, moderators etc. What a floodgate that would have opened.
'I'm ginger and oppresed, can arrse find me my own moderator for when i'm feeling glum.'
'Ooo me too, I like sleeping with horses'
'Oh and me I'm in the RAF regt'
You get the point.
If I have misenterpreted the seriousness of the situation then I apologise. But unless im mistaken, the site is still here, as is the NAAFI.
It might even be a good thing, perhaps now, people who post in there will have to actually try and be Creative and god forbid, funny. You know, like it used to be.
Give your heads a wobble folks, crack on as if it was business as usual, just be careful and hopefully the site can go back to normal (kind of). Yes we are being dictated to by a bunch of muppets. We should be used to it, we've been under labour rule for some time now.
Feel free to rip me to shreds for this post, you never know, I may become outraged :D

Apologies for any crappy spelling and grammar but I am typing this on my iPhone whilst waiting to fly out of heathrow.

It might not come across clearly in my posts but I don't want expect you all to like what I am or what I do, just as I you shouldn't expect me to be enamoured by everything about you.

I just expect the same rights as many of you take for granted and I will try not to make an issue of my gayness as long as you do the same about tour sexual preferences. ( I'll keeep it in the bedroom as long as you do the same)

On the same point, if you want to be a god botherer go ahead, I don't profess to understand why you feel the need to worship a make believe entity and eat the flesh of his son (I've still not worked out how the bread and wine into flesh and blood magic trick works).

And so on...

I have just been listening to 'Any Questions' on Radio 4 in the car.
One of the panelists was Peter Hitchens who I am not that fond of and another was Peter Tatchell who I think has mellowed for the better over the years and is quite clearly a witty and intelligent bloke.
I also admire Tatchell for trying to do what HM Govt were too yellow to do, namely, attempt to arrest Mugabe for torture and human rights abuses whilst he was on one of his shopping excursions in London.

Strangely enough the subject of 'free speech' and 'hate crime' came up and Tatchell was asked his opinion.
He said (not verbatim) that anybody should be able to say anything they want short of threatening to injure or kill, he also expressed some concern about restrictions on free expression which he said were hard earned rights and should not be tampered with.
Hitchens totally agreed with him as did the rest of the panel and the audience.

Section 28 had to go and it did thank God.
With its disappearance the entire Raison d'etre for Stonewall's existence went as well.
It seems that when their demands were met they were not content and have now made the organisation into a business which whether we like it or not is now part of central Govt albeit in an advisory capacity.

Apparently Stonewall don't like Tatchell and Tatchell doesn't like them too much.

I'm not that fond of them either.

NB : Ironically the original Stonewall riots in NY were started by the group that Stonewall UK doesn't represent, the transvestites and transexuals.