Originally Posted by Biped

That Proud2 Serve site makes no mention of the ARRSE fracas, let alone a sensible discussion. That suggests to me that they ain't much use in terms of balance. Can be corrected if I'm wrong of course.

That site is about the limit of support for the Army LGBT, ie none. One or two posters on this thread are connected to the LGBT, which seems to be a small group of officers, and are being steered by them in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Sixty

Originally Posted by Haile

The seperate forum isn't a good idea, but having one or more LGBT members who are go to people for advice/support would be a good compromise.

Seriously, why? We (as in Arrse) are not any kind of counselling site. There are other sites out there for the confused about / in need of support regarding, their sexuality sites.

I'm somewhat baffled as to why this has been mooted.

Why allow them in here to 'police' the site? That's what any of these propositions would amount to. But let's face, they've already got the site on the back foot. And that's where they want us.

I agree with Western. There are a couple on this site who have had a hand in all of this.

Originally Posted by Gremlin

Originally Posted by jarrod248

Thanks to you all for your opinions - it's pretty much what I myself thought.
I imagine the people who are outraged are paid to be outraged. I'm not paid to be outraged and probably would not have fun doing such a job. I imagine it would lead to high blood pressure and a risk of strokes - ahem.
I wonder if there is something that could be done to be more welcoming to new members....... fcuking hell what am I thinking of.
I must need some alcohol or something or maybe my blood sugar is low. What i'm thinking is that new site members who may well be different would find problems working out who is who. It's a big forum and some sign posting or something may be of use. I'm thinking about young people and I remember what is was like - just! Maybe i'm talking boll0x I'm not sure.
I'm just thinking aloud really as how to be seen to be doing the right thing and actually mean it.

Oh great, so we have Old_Fat_and_hairy squaring away the young lasses, and now you are volunteering for.......... (I'll leave that bit to you fertile imagination mate! ;) )


On a slightly more serious note though, I do see your point. How does a young gay guy or lass, new on here, find out who to turn to for advice? Short of the LGBT community being issued with rather pretty rainbow coloured medals, there probably is no way of doing it, apart from a separate forum; and if it is hidden how do they discover it?

Maybe, and it is only a maybe, we should be providing a link to Proud2serve, where they can get better advice? How open does the gay community really want to be? Do you want to be visible or blend in with the crowd? Because if things change in the way that they seem to be heading, then no one will be able to tell from your posts!

I'd rather not have rainbow medals but I think we are at least focusing on what may help. I'm not sure proud2serve has anything to do with the issue, the problem is what we've all done.

Originally Posted by Sixty

Originally Posted by Haile

The seperate forum isn't a good idea, but having one or more LGBT members who are go to people for advice/support would be a good compromise.

Seriously, why? We (as in Arrse) are not any kind of counselling site. There are other sites out there for the confused about / in need of support regarding, their sexuality sites.

I'm somewhat baffled as to why this has been mooted.

we have people who give advice to new recruits, to cadets, to interested parties, who can tell them who to contact and what life is like in their particular regiment.

whats wrong with having similar people for the new gay recrits or people who need some help with sorting out problems.

it would also help let outsiders see the site as the inclusive place we all know it is

Originally Posted by Gremlin

On a slightly more serious note though, I do see your point. How does a young gay guy or lass, new on here, find out who to turn to for advice? Short of the LGBT community being issued with rather pretty rainbow coloured medals, there probably is no way of doing it, apart from a separate forum; and if it is hidden how do they discover it?

How they have been up to now, by asking questions in the joining up thread and getting them answered sensibly from most posters straight or gay...and predominatly in the joining up thread when i have seen a rainbow question asked its been answered fully by the straight posters...

Be a good soldier and don't play on it your be fine accept a bit of banter etc etc etc. if its a more difficult question then they have been fielded to jarrod legs and me sometimes sadly only legs is serving so me and jarrod can only give moral support.

I dont know who is gay or a goat blower except those who have decided to tell me, i certainly dont expect anyone to have to out them self to be a mentor but if THEY choose to and get involved with the enlistment threads that is for then to choose.

Originally Posted by Gremlin

Maybe, and it is only a maybe, we should be providing a link to Proud2serve, where they can get better advice? How open does the gay community really want to be? Do you want to be visible or blend in with the crowd? Because if things change in the way that they seem to be heading, then no one will be able to tell from your posts!

some good points there and since i am not serving that is for others to decide, but for my to perhaps give my thoughts and opinion on, a link too P2S would be good idea i think as a sticky in the joining up threads with a note explaining why and then LOCKED except for site admin and Mods in that forum.


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hows about send the NAAFI forums and other more lude forums to a members only viewable area? that way any upperty twonk who stumbles upon something which "might" offend "someone they know" wont be seen?

Originally Posted by pacestick

hows about send the NAAFI forums and other more lude forums to a members only viewable area? that way any upperty twonk who stumbles upon something which "might" offend "someone they know" wont be seen?

Because that won't stop a determined person getting in and then next thing there will be a story in a newspaper about the secretive army hate forum.

Arrse is now on Stonewall's radar and it always will be from now now, so unfortunately people are going to have to behave a bit better and save the more extreme jokes for the pub.

Why not use the resources of arrse to find a willing drill pig to make sure tah next year the military represenation at pride is something to be proud of.

Or maybe we could bet the guards to go along to represent us, they are in London, they like to march and have a thing for silly costumes.

Originally Posted by Biscuits_AB

Originally Posted by Legs

You mean an ARRSE LGBT Advice/Help mentor? Someone who can say to a new member what is and isn't and be a supporter while they find their feet? Well, if that's what you mean, figure out a way and I'm up for helping

That response was practically cued and an ARRSE LGBT Advice line the last thing this site needs. Furthermore, I strongly suspect that you have been material in all of this. And your friend's overly irate posts about the advertisers are pretty suspect as well.

Take off you tinfoil hat. All I have done is try and get this problem fixed and get ARRSE back on an even keel. I had no part in starting the complaint - If I was of that ilk I would have been complaining over the last couple of years about some of the crap I have taken from various people on this site. But I haven't complained because I can take it. I don't get outraged on other's behalf, and I don't accept people getting outraged on mine.

PM sent BTW


MOD EDIT Legs halo Biccingston - Take this to PMs
I AM going to delete anything further that appears on here that I consider NOT to be germane to the discussion/thread.

Originally Posted by Haile

That said the comments about concentration camps (not that i saw them) went to far and the person(s) who made them has been put in the guardhouse.

No it wasn't going to far, if you didnt see it how would you know someone called gaylad (whom I notice hasn't been seen since) got into a slanging match with various other people and is escalated from there.

There was never a serious suggestion of going out and beating gays up, there was never a serious suggestion that all gays should be gassed, there was never a serious suggestion of anything anti-gay it was just one of the usual verbal kick offs in the NAAFI, if it had been about gwars or the French none of this would ever have happened.

Originally Posted by western

Originally Posted by jarrod248

I'd rather not have rainbow medals but I think we are at least focusing on what may help. I'm not sure proud2serve has anything to do with the issue, the problem is what we've all done.

Um, let's see?

P2S is a point of communication for the Army LGBT Committee.

The Chairman of the Army LGBT Committee is the nasty bit of work who lit this particular firestorm.

Posters on this thread are connected to the Chairman of the Committee and are proposing a LGBT agenda here.

Sorry it's not how I meant it. What I did mean is that it doesn't effect what needs doing on this site.