Originally Posted by Ciggie

What is irritating really is the dichotomy between any religion at all and violence.All suggest it is bad, but then go right ahead and apply it to their own ends. There is a certain honesty about athiest violence. 'You looking at my girlfriend ?' offers up no philosophical excuses.

You are an apologist for theist evil, and I see why you have an O2 tag.

Originally Posted by YJMalmsteen

^ This

I live in the ME and it is SO fucking hypocritical, it makes me puke. It is a dry country yet all the rich Arabs have bars in their cellars. There are strict adultery laws but ALL the blokes have shag pads and meet in the desert for a bit of hows yer father and ... Oops ... I penetrated you. They preach peace but treat the 3rd country nationals like shit.

Same observation by me when I lived and worked in Kuwait. Also noticed on flights back to the UK they would board the aircraft in full desert regalia. After take off, change into 'whistle and flute' and get laced into the free G&T's. Two faced bastards always left Kuwait during Ramadan too.

Originally Posted by Screw_The_Nut

I have been to a fair few muslim countries, and their treatment of women is decidedly and remarkably similar...

In what regard? I'm still arguing the culture angle.

Originally Posted by Cabana

The problem is that if the UK presented a clear set of values to immigrants, it would be accused of racism. The real problem lies with immigrants not wanting to integrate into British society and wishing to create their own little Pakistan/Iran/Libya or whatever in the UK.
Islam is a religion of violence. We see that all over the world, we are seeing it in a very big way in Nigeria. In short, the problem is Islam.

Then let us be so accused. The Aussies don't seem to mind, nor do the French. All the international fuss about the banning of a certain level of face covering has resulted in so much weeping and gnashing of Muslim teeth, and France is veritably awash with angry young Muslims all seeking martyrdom. Oh wait - no it hasn't. I'm not arguing the problem is purely cultural - Islam plays its role, but I do believe that the majority of the problems could be solved by engaging with the cultural differences and leaving religion largely out of it.

Originally Posted by Hupra

I agree that it is the culture rather than the religion, despite what the media would have us believe. Having met muslims from various countries, most seem friendly, open minded, and liberal. The exception seems to be Pakistanis, although thats not to say that all are pricks.

While never going as far to generalise, and counting several Pakistanis as friends (the mitigating cry of a Racist, I know...), this is also my experience, and I'd even go as far to say as borne out by the statistics, too.

Originally Posted by SpEsHuL PerSoN

If you do not think that Islam is a problem then you are clearly Muslim ....... or a Labour MP

Here's a thought - maybe I'm neither? You clown.

Originally Posted by Al_Adjnabi

Here's a thought - maybe I'm neither? You clown.

I do not believe that at all, you clearly have a twisted agenda.

Originally Posted by Al_Adjnabi

I don't disagree whatsoever, but my point is that Islam is not the problem, but instead the failure to instil values in immigrants and subsequent generations. It has no place here. The real problem lies in Britain's inability to present a clear set of values to its immigrant population, often leading to this sort of scenario.

Twaddle!

Originally Posted by leveller

And this surprises you, of a country that allows the free movement of criminals, terrorists, and religious zealots, but not it's indigenous population, have you been in the UK long?

When do they not allow the free movement of its indigenous law abiding population?

Originally Posted by leveller

Lebanon, for starters, not all the belligerents were Islamic.

Not all the belligerents are Islamic in Nigeria, but that is a result of Islamic violence as was Lebanon.

Do you think a black man could have walked into a church in a white area, less than fifty years ago in the US. Do I need to list all the wack job Christian cults, who abuse and only harm there members lives by their teachings, leading to death and harm, (including the catholic church).

The US had Apartheid less then 50 years ago, yes. This was nothing to do with Christianity or any other religion, this was to do with the way the US was run.
There are a lot of cults out there that have nothing to do with Christianity, and some do. I have heard of none that get up to the shenanigans that people of Islam do. So, yes, please list the wack job Christian cults and their crimes.....we can also compare them to the shenanigans that the people of Islam get up too.

Does Christianity portray itself any better in a modern world?

From an outsiders perspective, I think it does. With a simple look at the news on the Internet, I see a lot about Islam and its backward violent ways. I don't see much about Christianity except the odd priest being done for bumming a kid......which I gather occurs a lot in Islam as well. IMHO, Christianity is much more forward thinking then Islam......Islam appears to be going backwards very quickly.

Originally Posted by SpEsHuL PerSoN

If you do not think that Islam is a problem then you are clearly Muslim ....... or a Labour MP

And you're clearly a BNP/EDL Troll.

Originally Posted by Gobbly wobbly

When do they not allow the free movement of its indigenous law abiding population?

We are almost always watched by someone when we go about our daily business, not even the commies managed that level of control.

Originally Posted by YJMalmsteen

^ This

I live in the ME and it is SO fucking hypocritical, it makes me puke. It is a dry country yet all the rich Arabs have bars in their cellars. There are strict adultery laws but ALL the blokes have shag pads and meet in the desert for a bit of hows yer father and ... Oops ... I penetrated you. They preach peace but treat the 3rd country nationals like shit.

Originally Posted by Chodmeister

Same observation by me when I lived and worked in Kuwait. Also noticed on flights back to the UK they would board the aircraft in full desert regalia. After take off, change into 'whistle and flute' and get laced into the free G&T's. Two faced bastards always left Kuwait during Ramadan too.

A good Gulfi friend of mine is a massive whoremonger, drinks like a fish and is one of the friendliest blokes I know. His standard greeting to me when he sees me is 'Al, make me a bacon sarnie, but don't tell me what's in it'.