Originally Posted by Higgs_bosun

You may have noticed that my level of education has provided me not only with confidence but the ability to run rings around anyone here regardless of rank and background... there is more to life than classroom exams and a school tie my deluded friend.

In any 'dust-up' I'll be the last man standing, either here in this forum or in any bar room...excuse the lack of modesty, I have no fear of any living man or their imaginary gods.

Did I miss something? You're a proper living legend Higgsy-right up to the point you cross the threshhold of your own home! For confidence read cocksure, for "running rings" just read cock. Your whole argument hinges on ridicule-hardly heavyweight debate.

Incidentally, you may have no fear of any living man but I seriously doubt your ability to be the last man standing in any bar room dust up. There's always someone bigger and badder round the corner. Typical Para bollox, much like most what you've spouted so far

I was going to engage in a lengthy, well thought out, mature debate in here.

Then I decided to call you all a bunch of boring cocks instead.

Fucking yawn-o-rama.

Originally Posted by StickyEnd

Do you think that it is OK for parents to brainwash their children? That is exactly what most religionists do. They tell their children just what their childs religious POV is, way before said child is mature enough to form a reasoned opinion.

The only reason that you may be OK with that is because it is so common.

Most of a child's upbringing is brainwashing.


I was clearly brainwashed, being brought up as a Catholic. About 11 or so I formed my own opinions whilst bunking off Church. My beleif has never harmed me or those around me. My kids are baptised Catholics-the main reasons being RC schools are generally pretty good educational establishments. Do I brainwash them-yes, I ram morals down their throat (those we all accept in society). I guess that makes me a bad father, eh?

As for religion, they are free to decide for themselves.

Doesn't quite gel with the sterotype...

Originally Posted by Cuddles

The church would not "have you believe" an unbaptised child faces "an eternity in hell".

a minor child has to be educated in values as in any other topic. So do we hold of teaching them their times-tables unless they might not be into maths?

Keep religions out of schools...they have caused enough damage to young minds. Things that matter can be taught without magic sky gods and fear of hell. Religion exists today because of child abuse... the kids that drift away do so because they find out it's all a pile of crap. Then they turn into rebels because human values have not been supported by proper science based education and reasoning.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Did I miss something? You're a proper living legend Higgsy-right up to the point you cross the threshhold of your own home! For confidence read cocksure, for "running rings" just read cock. Your whole argument hinges on ridicule-hardly heavyweight debate.

Incidentally, you may have no fear of any living man but I seriously doubt your ability to be the last man standing in any bar room dust up. There's always someone bigger and badder round the corner. Typical Para bollox, much like most what you've spouted so far

So it's handbags at dawn...? My dear monkey brain, you failed to spot that with all the attacks on primitive belief systems visible evidence exists everywhere! And not one protest in reply has contained a tangible grain of evidence.

NEXT!

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Most of a child's upbringing is brainwashing.


I was clearly brainwashed, being brought up as a Catholic. About 11 or so I formed my own opinions whilst bunking off Church. My beleif has never harmed me or those around me. My kids are baptised Catholics-the main reasons being RC schools are generally pretty good educational establishments. Do I brainwash them-yes, I ram morals down their throat (those we all accept in society). I guess that makes me a bad father, eh?

As for religion, they are free to decide for themselves.

Doesn't quite gel with the sterotype...

Quite daft and and stereotypical.... discarding the bits of your childhood faith that are clear bollocks but sending your kids to a school that will provide the same confusing messages. The criminal legacy of religious indoctrination goes on. You should be embarrassed that you cannot give proper guidance to children without invoking your personal watered down version of hocus pocus. Feckin hopeless...

Originally Posted by Higgs_bosun

You may have noticed that my level of education has provided me not only with confidence but the ability to run rings around anyone here regardless of rank and background... there is more to life than classroom exams and a school tie my deluded friend.

The most valuable thing a good education enables one to realise, is the depth of one's own ignorance, the sheer number of things that one does not know. Whereas a remark like that is disagreeably cocksure and arrogant. Even quite a lot of knowledge is a dangerous thing, unless it is leavened with a little humility.

For the record I've got a suitcase full of paper qualifications that mean nothing without being able to grasp our place in existence. Understanding this requires the highest level of humility in my opinion. Being cocksure and arrogant is possibly a genetic trait and nothing to do with education.

Originally Posted by Higgs_bosun

Being cocksure and arrogant is possibly a genetic trait and nothing to do with education.

No, more to do with a lack of it.

Originally Posted by Pigshyt_Freeman

No, more to do with a lack of it.

Please explain....

Have you found a connection between personal characteristics and paper qualifications? The further education that I have participated in did nothing to change me as a person. Experience and absorbing other material may have galvanised my opinions but I doubt that you can 'teach out' of anyone natural confidence Piggy...

Originally Posted by Higgs_bosun

Please explain....

Have you found a connection between personal characteristics and paper qualifications?

Depends which personal characteristics you mean.

The point I am trying to make is that a person fortunate enough to be educated is helped to develop critical faculties, whilst the one who is merely taught will simply have access to a largeish amount of information. Bashing people over the head with said pieces of information whilst shouting "I'm right and you're wrong, and I'm cleverer than you and here's my 'suitcase full of paper qualifications' to prove it" is a sign of the arrogance of someone who has been taught 'things' but who has not learned to think.

The disagreeable personal characteristics of arrogance and self-satisfaction are present in us all; the more intelligent try to minimise or conceal their malign effect, rather than to celebrate them. An oaf with a degree, is still an oaf.

Originally Posted by Pigshyt_Freeman

Bashing people over the head with said pieces of information whilst shouting "I'm right and you're wrong, and I'm cleverer than you and here's my 'suitcase full of paper qualifications' to prove it" is a sign of the arrogance of someone who has been taught 'things' but who has not learned to think.

Sounds a lot like the preaching of the pious in vast tracts of the globe.