Thread: Nob Brown-mis-spelled dead Soldiers name in letter to family

Mum and the PM. Enough already! Both have disturbed minds that should not be exposed in the media. Settle it in private.

Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker

Originally Posted by hellfyyr

I realise the hated Sun (it's been crawling its way back to the Conservatives and never gives up trying to be the Forces' favourite) has hyped this up. I realise Commisar Broon is disabled but took the time to write to a grieving relative who lost a son.

The problem is he is incredibly flawed and makes the most incredible errors of judgement and presides over years of mistakes.

When history judges this letter, if it ever remembers Brown as more than a lame duck mistake; I doubt it will measure up to this sort of thing:

Letter - Abraham Lincoln (disputed) to Mrs Bixby

The inability to write a letter to a grieving relative, act appropriately at the Cenotaph, manage the economy, preside over a war or control his own party mean he needs to go but we all know he cant see (sic) it...

"I feel how weak and fruitless must be any word of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming."

What a masterful stroke of the pen.

Is this the same letter read out during a scene from 'Saving Private Ryan'?

Originally Posted by Track_Link

Originally Posted by Fugly

Originally Posted by Track_Link

Originally Posted by Sangreal

No she didn't. All she did was lose any remaining dignity she may have had over the death of her son.

My Bold.

Don't agree with you on that mate. She just lost her boy. She can say what she wants IMHO

It's The Sun at fault here. For cynically using a Mothers grief to try and shift some papers. Throbbers to the core.

It's the families VO that has dropped the ball here, I feel. Yes, she can say what she wants as a grieving mother who has lost her boy, but the VO should have stepped in and got Media Ops to get a grip of the Scum before they got their hooks in this deep. As a grieving mother, she won't be thinking straight.

Roger That.

Have you ever been a VO? They aren't around the bereaved 24/7. Besides, any perceived intervention would be presented by those so inclined as 'official interference'.

Originally Posted by FiveAlpha

Originally Posted by BoomShackerLacker

Originally Posted by hellfyyr

I realise the hated Sun (it's been crawling its way back to the Conservatives and never gives up trying to be the Forces' favourite) has hyped this up. I realise Commisar Broon is disabled but took the time to write to a grieving relative who lost a son.

The problem is he is incredibly flawed and makes the most incredible errors of judgement and presides over years of mistakes.

When history judges this letter, if it ever remembers Brown as more than a lame duck mistake; I doubt it will measure up to this sort of thing:

Letter - Abraham Lincoln (disputed) to Mrs Bixby

The inability to write a letter to a grieving relative, act appropriately at the Cenotaph, manage the economy, preside over a war or control his own party mean he needs to go but we all know he cant see (sic) it...

"I feel how weak and fruitless must be any word of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming."

What a masterful stroke of the pen.

Is this the same letter read out during a scene from 'Saving Private Ryan'?

It is. Turned out only 2 of her lads were killed the others legged it (or summat)

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Originally Posted by Dunservin

Originally Posted by Track_Link

Originally Posted by Fugly

Originally Posted by Track_Link

Originally Posted by Sangreal

No she didn't. All she did was lose any remaining dignity she may have had over the death of her son.

My Bold.

Don't agree with you on that mate. She just lost her boy. She can say what she wants IMHO

It's The Sun at fault here. For cynically using a Mothers grief to try and shift some papers. Throbbers to the core.

It's the families VO that has dropped the ball here, I feel. Yes, she can say what she wants as a grieving mother who has lost her boy, but the VO should have stepped in and got Media Ops to get a grip of the Scum before they got their hooks in this deep. As a grieving mother, she won't be thinking straight.

Roger That.

Have you ever been a VO? They aren't around the bereaved 24/7. Besides, any perceived intervention would be presented by those so inclined as 'official interference'.

So you feel it is perfectly alright for the Scum to do what they have done then? Freedom of the press to do whatever the hell they want, eh?

Originally Posted by OldRedCap

Mum and the PM. Enough already! Both have disturbed minds that should not be exposed in the media. Settle it in private.

NO. Despite all the spinning by Mandelson, Campbell, and their cronies two facts are clear.

Firstly, that the Prime Minister could not be bothered to check on the name of a dead soldier before running off this crass piece of tat.

Secondly, that he lied about it to the mother, when she had the letter in front of her.

All that nonsense about him being busy, etc. won't wash either. Other PMs have managed to do this quite successfully. Don't play the 'but he can't see properly' card either - he has reams of advisers for just this sort of situation. I've drafted similar letters in the past, for 'originators' to write out in pen - and believe me, there is nothing - nothing - spontaneous about them.

As a final point, it is understandable that the mother who has just lost her son is upset - but I would be rather concerned if the PM did genuinely have a 'disturbed mind'. His is the sole finger on the nuclear trigger.............

Originally Posted by Fugly

Originally Posted by Dunservin

Originally Posted by Track_Link

Originally Posted by Fugly

Originally Posted by Track_Link

Originally Posted by Sangreal

No she didn't. All she did was lose any remaining dignity she may have had over the death of her son.

My Bold.

Don't agree with you on that mate. She just lost her boy. She can say what she wants IMHO

It's The Sun at fault here. For cynically using a Mothers grief to try and shift some papers. Throbbers to the core.

It's the families VO that has dropped the ball here, I feel. Yes, she can say what she wants as a grieving mother who has lost her boy, but the VO should have stepped in and got Media Ops to get a grip of the Scum before they got their hooks in this deep. As a grieving mother, she won't be thinking straight.

Roger That.

Have you ever been a VO? They aren't around the bereaved 24/7. Besides, any perceived intervention would be presented by those so inclined as 'official interference'.

So you feel it is perfectly alright for the Scum to do what they have done then? Freedom of the press to do whatever the hell they want, eh?

Originally Posted by Dunservin Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:28 am

Blatant exploitation of personal grief for a political agenda, headlines and commercial profit. I'm not sure which motive is most distasteful but it certainly demonstrates that more despicable people than Brown are involved in this sorry affair.

Originally Posted by ashie

Bob Piper nails it:

I agree with the tone of most bloggers yesterday. Gordon Brown did the honorable thing to send personal, handwritten letters to the relatives of those killed in Afghanistan. It's a small gesture, but I think it indicates that he does care, and actually, if it had not been for Mrs Janes in the Sun yesterday, people would not be aware that he took the time and trouble to do it. I can think of others in and around Downing Street in the past who would have made a good deal of publicity out of the gesture.

Having said that, knowing the PM's shocking handwriting, someone in Downing Street should be checking the things. Whilst the grammar and spelling are not that important, getting the lad's name wrong undoes a lot of the good work done by writing in the first place.

However... whatever impact Mrs Janes had yesterday, I can only imagine the slimy Murdoch journalists have done her no favours with this morning's story. Yesterday she was a wronged mother, grieving for her lost son and quite rightly upset by a letter that she considered to be an insult to his memory. Today, we are expected to believe that the grieving Mrs Janes was sitting by the telephone, tape recorder at the ready, in case the Prime Minister should happen to call to apologise. It looks like a clear piece of entrapment by the snakes at The Sun. The whole emphasis changes away from a woman who is clearly genuinely upset into a story of a set up by the Murdoch press who are exploiting the woman's grief for political purposes.

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It feels wrong, but for once ashie I actually agree with you, which shows there is a first time for everything.

the unfortunate thing here is that whilst Sun journalists are a maggoty septic shower of reptilian slimeballs; they are also very stupid. Brown is therefore, as a consequence of their public manipulation of this lady's grief, unfortunately coming out of this looking rather better than he did before.

Old Snowy - "but I would be rather concerned if the PM did genuinely have a 'disturbed mind'.
My next 36 hours are already spoken for or I could provide examples which suggest just that. I am sure there are others here who can assist ...........................

Originally Posted by ashie

Bob Piper nails it:

I agree with the tone of most bloggers yesterday. Gordon Brown did the honorable thing to send personal, handwritten letters to the relatives of those killed in Afghanistan. It's a small gesture, but I think it indicates that he does care, and actually, if it had not been for Mrs Janes in the Sun yesterday, people would not be aware that he took the time and trouble to do it. I can think of others in and around Downing Street in the past who would have made a good deal of publicity out of the gesture.

Having said that, knowing the PM's shocking handwriting, someone in Downing Street should be checking the things. Whilst the grammar and spelling are not that important, getting the lad's name wrong undoes a lot of the good work done by writing in the first place.

However... whatever impact Mrs Janes had yesterday, I can only imagine the slimy Murdoch journalists have done her no favours with this morning's story. Yesterday she was a wronged mother, grieving for her lost son and quite rightly upset by a letter that she considered to be an insult to his memory. Today, we are expected to believe that the grieving Mrs Janes was sitting by the telephone, tape recorder at the ready, in case the Prime Minister should happen to call to apologise. It looks like a clear piece of entrapment by the snakes at The Sun. The whole emphasis changes away from a woman who is clearly genuinely upset into a story of a set up by the Murdoch press who are exploiting the woman's grief for political purposes.



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The point about such letters is that if they are to be seen as a genuine expression of the writers feelings they need to be accurate, legible, and preferably reasonably well spelt. This letter did not meet any of those criteria. The clear meaning is that in reality my MP did not care anything like as much as he would like us to believe or he would have made sure that his letter was accurate, legible and decently spelt. After all if he is half as smart as he would like us to believe he must know that he turns out a piss poor handwritten letter, and done something about it. As it is he didn't and in my view was so arrogant thet he believed that any old rubbished dashed off by his hand would be appreciated.

What I find quite surprising though is that here is a man who really was able to spin his way out of almost any trouble and at the same time crap on his enemies, and now he has completely lost control of the agenda with amost every move he makes exploding crap in his face. He is certainly the least effective PM in my lifetime, even worse than Sunny Jim.

Originally Posted by Bumper

the unfortunate thing here is that whilst Sun journalists are a maggoty septic shower of reptilian slimeballs; they are also very stupid. Brown is therefore, as a consequence of their public manipulation of this lady's grief, unfortunately coming out of this looking rather better than he did before.

I'll have you know Sir my brother was a Scum journo (1970s). So it should be 'shower of septic slimeballs'... alliteration!

I think the sad upshot of this sorry affair will be that, in future, bereaved families will now get the standard Dear (insert name), sorry your son / daughter (insert name) was shot / blown up / poisoned / other, please accept my condolences / apologies (delete as applicable).

Yours Gordy / Dave (delete as applicable)

Rather takes away the personal touch. Thank you my Sun!!

Is it just me that finds the worst thing is that the Sun will get away with illegally publishing a recorded private conversation because they know that Brown can't take action against them because of the subject matter?

The devious barstards. They've sunk as low as they can with this one, and that's saying something.

Originally Posted by ashie

SPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IN!!!!!!!

You're going to be dizzy as fvck by the end of the month with the number of fvck up your paymaster is making.