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**Jerrycan2793** · 06-03-2010, 20:50

i work in york, if i run him over do i get some money?

**Legs** · 06-03-2010, 20:56

Originally Posted by Jerrycan2793

i work in york, if i run him over do i get some money?

You'll need a bloody big car - he's in Colchester.

**JimPooley** · 06-03-2010, 20:56

Originally Posted by Jerrycan2793

i work in york, if i run him over do i get some money?

Yes, you get your petrol money to Colchester. But only one way.

**Aunty Stella** · 06-03-2010, 21:22

Originally Posted by JimPooley

Is he a coward?

I believe in some aspects yes - in others, no.

He's not a coward for not wanting to go back to Afghanistan. Can't say I blame him at all for that. He is a coward however, for how he went about dodging the tour.

If he had such a traumatic time on his first tour, he should have got help immediately. If he believed - after doing that tour - that the campaign was wrong and we shouldn't be there, he should have signed off on the spot.

What I believe happened is he was warned off at short notice for another tour far quicker than he was expecting and didn't fancy it. That's a fair one. Where the cowardly bit comes in is what he did next - he did one for over 2 years. He most likely thought of signing off as soon as he was warned off for the tour, but will have been informed that he would have to do the tour anyway, and then discharge on return - his discharge date could even be extended in order to complete the tour. When he came back to face the music, he then jumps on the "stop the war" bandwagon, and every other excuse possible (PTSD, etc) in an attempt to either save his sorry arrse completely or at least receive a lenient sentence. He'll do his time in MCTC now and be fucked off, that'll do for me.

I'm also surprised at the line PG is taking, although I think he is mainly doing it to put another perspective on the argument. That said however, the army is not civvy street, and custodial sentences are rightly in place to stop people "just doing one".

So, coward? In some ways, yes. In other ways, I can sympathise with him.

He's still a fucking throbber, though.

Funnily enough, that is an exact compressed version of the my side of the conversation that I just had with PG on the phone, where we ended up having to agree to disagree.

"Coward" is a very strong word that I wouldn't use lightly. I don't know if he is as I don't know the guy or the exact circumstances leading up to him doing a bunk.

Throbber? Yes indeed and one of a monumental proportion. Unfortunately he is a throbber that will get very wealthy of the back of this due to societies twisted need to turn cnuts like him into celebrities.

I think I am right in saying that PG also sees him as a total tool but also sees the system being at fault in as much that we should have potted him rather than try to send someone that didn't want to be in theatre and would therefore be a liability.

I disagreed that this was too easy an "out" and that the rules is the rules. I'll let him fill in the rest.

**Jerrycan2793** · 06-03-2010, 21:22

odds are ill still live in york when he gets out. Prior planning and preperation prevents piss poor performance! Your all somewhat short sighted perhaps a role in future strategic planning awaits you?

**Gren** · 06-03-2010, 21:27

Originally Posted by Aunty Stella

Originally Posted by JimPooley

Is he a coward?

I believe in some aspects yes - in others, no.

He's not a coward for not wanting to go back to Afghanistan. Can't say I blame him at all for that. He is a coward however, for how he went about dodging the tour.

If he had such a traumatic time on his first tour, he should have got help immediately. If he believed - after doing that tour - that the campaign was wrong and we shouldn't be there, he should have signed off on the spot.

What I believe happened is he was warned off at short notice for another tour far quicker than he was expecting and didn't fancy it. That's a fair one. Where the cowardly bit comes in is what he did next - he did one for over 2 years. He most likely thought of signing off as soon as he was warned off for the tour, but will have been informed that he would have to do the tour anyway, and then discharge on return - his discharge date could even be extended in order to complete the tour. When he came back to face the music, he then jumps on the "stop the war" bandwagon, and every other excuse possible (PTSD, etc) in an attempt to either save his sorry arrse completely or at least receive a lenient sentence. He'll do his time in MCTC now and be fucked off, that'll do for me.

I'm also surprised at the line PG is taking, although I think he is mainly doing it to put another perspective on the argument. That said however, the army is not civvy street, and custodial sentences are rightly in place to stop people "just doing one".

So, coward? In some ways, yes. In other ways, I can sympathise with him.

He's still a fucking throbber, though.

Funnily enough, that is an exact compressed version of the my side of the conversation that I just had with PG on the phone, where we ended up having to agree to disagree.

"Coward" is a very strong word that I wouldn't use lightly. I don't know if he is as I don't know the guy or the exact circumstances leading up to him doing a bunk.

Throbber? Yes indeed and one of a monumental proportion. Unfortunately he is a throbber that will get very wealthy of the back of this due to societies twisted need to turn cnuts like him into celebrities.

I think I am right in saying that PG also sees him as a total tool but also sees the system being at fault in as much that we should have potted him rather than try to send someone that didn't want to be in theatre and would therefore be a liability.

I disagreed that this was too easy an "out" and that the rules is the rules. I'll let him fill in the rest.

In all honesty Stella, how many of the people in theatre actually want to be there?

If thats the case, we wouldnt have anyone on ops anywhere would we?

He failed in his prime role, and failed to keep to the oath he swore, which is a huge step away from breaking an employment contract, and tried to use any excuse he could to get out of it.

Yes you sign on the line, but, joining the forces is nothing like starting work at maccyD's or the Coop, so contractual or not, two different issues.

Coward? to a degree, throbber? totally.

**Aunty Stella** · 06-03-2010, 21:40

Originally Posted by Gren

In all honesty Stella, how many of the people in theatre actually want to be there?

If thats the case, we wouldnt have anyone on ops anywhere would we?

He failed in his prime role, and failed to keep to the oath he swore, which is a huge step away from breaking an employment contract, and tried to use any excuse he could to get out of it.

Yes you sign on the line, but, joining the forces is nothing like starting work at maccyD's or the Coop, so contractual or not, two different issues.

Coward? to a degree, throbber? totally.

Yep, that was pretty much my argument as well

**Porridge_gun** · 06-03-2010, 22:39

Originally Posted by whyohwhy

PG - you're beginning to get a bit tedious wibbling on about employment contracts.

Not half as tedious as internet heroes labeling him coward.

Originally Posted by whyohwhy

I'm really struggling to understand a mod on this site who can't understand the difference between a civvie job and the military?

I understand full well, I also fail to understand why people can engage such double standards and appear so thick and label someone they have never met a coward.

I'm not saying he isn't a throbber and I'm not saying he is a good guy, my point is that he has been tried by an archaic system that is in dire need of updating.

I know people I served with dabbled with drugs in Amsterdam, then came back and fell in line and continued to serve. Because they got away with it, its deemed as ok.......... in reality they should face the same military law?

What if Glenton or whatever his name is walked into the COs office and said, Hiya Sir, I'm a druggie, I'm going bancrupt, I'm (insert anything else the army shy's away from and dismiss's you) He's be out by sunset on the same day,

This fella will make a fortune on his release......... why? because of bandwagon jumpers. He didn't want to serve, let him go then leather him when he's next seen in town by his former pals.

Half the posters here have broken military law, will they be following the non cowardly stance of handing themselves in and accepting the punishment on the chin? Will they fcuk!

Unfortunatley I've got eight tins of Magners in me so can't carry this on until morning but Stellas knows full well what I'm on about and has already been beated into submission for double standards :D

**Porridge_gun** · 06-03-2010, 22:45

[quote="Gren"]
In all honesty Stella, how many of the people in theatre actually want to be there?/quote]

So is the army full of sheep who wish to shy away from Operational deployments? I think not. This is the first case like this I have heard of since 1988

Originally Posted by Gren

He failed in his prime role, and failed to keep to the oath he swore, which is a huge step away from breaking an employment contract, and tried to use any excuse he could to get out of it.

Find me a soldier who hasn't broken an element of military law and I'll show you a liar.

Originally Posted by Gren

Yes you sign on the line, but, joining the forces is nothing like starting work at maccyD's or the Coop, so contractual or not, two different issues.

Only because the army protects and shelters you. In reality he didn't want to work for Liz any more. Instead of fcuking the little tosser off and getting rid, an example has been made, one that will probable net him an absolute fortune........ triffic,

Originally Posted by Gren

Coward? to a degree, throbber? totally.

Throbber agree, coward, absolutely not......... took more balls than simply acting the sheep and deploying. Those balls will probably give him a healthier bank balance that any service ever would......