Do something as seemingly intuitive as click on a share point file to open it and get kicked out into a loop on a corrupted front page. Obviously, everyone should know that they have to "Save target as", and read files on their own computer rather than being able to read them online. You know it makes sense... or not!

Plus the bloody awful sign-in protocol. It is common to so much Army IT. Why should I be required to have different logins to Armynet, DII, EGS, JPA, online learning (Mil plus Civil service accounts) etc, etc? Dear God, it is perhaps understandable that one should need differing passwords for systems with wildly varying security classifications but would one, simple, username protocol for all official Defence/Govt be beyond human capacity?

Rant over- I know that you have no power over that stuff - but I needed to vent!

Perhaps - an idea - you could operate some form of software protected vault that we could keep all these blasted usernames and passwords in - and perhaps even (platinum plated option) a system whereby you could click through to the appropriate account and your details would be magically pasted in to the relevant login page.

Originally Posted by Purple_Flash

Do something as seemingly intuitive as click on a share point file to open it and get kicked out into a loop on a corrupted front page. Obviously, everyone should know that they have to "Save target as", and read files on their own computer rather than being able to read them online. You know it makes sense... or not!


Perhaps - an idea - you could operate some form of software protected vault that we could keep all these blasted usernames and passwords in - and perhaps even (platinum plated option) a system whereby you could click through to the appropriate account and your details would be magically pasted in to the relevant login page.

Your first point is a valid rant, Armynet is trying to be all things to all users even if you are accessing it over a ancient browser that has even been denounced by it's creators. Some times we try and innovate and that adversely affects those accessing Armynet services over DII.

Your protected vault would be best stored on the highest classification system you have, would an exel document on DII do the trick?

I gave up using it. I rarely accessed it and every time I did I was asked a list of impossible questions. What is my favourite animal? Oh, Christ knows.

And now I don't use it I can't think what I'm missing. Pay statement? JPA. E-Mail? Dii or Hotmail. Forum action? Arrse or AKX if I'm feeling flash.

As another poster had pointed out, we are expected to use a whole raft of t'interweb stuff. I must use JPA for MS, pay and leave (a grotesquely unfriendly site), Dii for e-mail, E-Portal for compulsory training (almost impossible to access) and HRMS to manage civi staff (makes JPA look like the CBeebies web site). All require different passwords and user names. I have to have logged on to Dii before I can begin to log on to the E-Portal. Why so many layers of security to get to do the fucking Information Passport? Why would someone hack in to the E-Portal to do the Info Passport? It's hard enough to make people who are meant to do it, do it.

And now I have to order my trousers through ArmyNet?

Oh for Christ's sake.

How about I log on to JPA and there are my e-mails, e-learning and a form to book new trousers?

Or conversely we could have another website to order our shirts. It could have another username, a case sensitive password that it gives to me and ask me what my mother's second pet was called.

I hate to sound cynical, but aren't we tearing the arse?

I have a user name and password for Dii. A username and password for JPA. A username for HRMS and the E-Portal, but a different password for both. I have a password to access the Internet from my Dii terminal. And my employer directs me to use all of these. Is this really best practice? Is this what civi companies do? 4 user names and 5 passwords to do my job? And ArmyNet adds another password, another username and a menu of security questions.

Sorry, but if I don't have to use ArmyNet I won't.

DII
JPA
EBIS
DLP
PIAR
ArmyNet
EGS

All of them requiring different Usernames (OK, a couple of them are my PUID) and every one of them either gives you a randomly generated password or requires you to come up with one yourself. But they all want your password in a different format. Some want letters and numbers, others demand a 'special character', others forbid them, on some you have to have numbers, but the first and last characters must be letters and so on.

If I ever lose my phone (which has another PIN) then I'll never get into any of them...

Over-elaborate security is self-defeating; people, despite orders to the contrary, will start writing down their usernames and passwords on easily-lost bits of paper.

Originally Posted by Pigshyt_Freeman

Over-elaborate security is self-defeating; people, despite orders to the contrary, will start writing down their usernames and passwords on easily-lost bits of paper.

Hey, that's my system - get your own!
I access Armynet about twice a month* and don't find the log in too taxing. Mind you, as I am no longer in the Army, my log in details don't have to compete in my scrambled brain against DII/JPA/HRMS etc, which was a real pain in the harris at the time. As others have said, surely it is not impossible for the powers that be to introduce a more streamlined, compatible way of entering all these systems?

*Sad person that I am, I normally log in for the Board results and assignments, as a way of keeping up with the career development of ex-colleagues.

If anyone ever looks at the front page of my Filofax they're in.

Assuming they want to do the Information Passport Survey, attempt to claim a taxi fare or loose the will to live preparing a civil servant's annual report. Even when you're in, most tasks are so unintuitive as to be nearly impossible.

My National TA unit has been ordered to use it for passing all information in order to 'Maintain Security'.

The tortuous log in process means that everyone (bar myself of course) has set the e-mail function to forward. Result the e-mails still go to everyone's own server only a day late.

Wonderful!

I should add that;
Many of the functions I might find useful tell me that I can't use them because I don't have Dii.
The website of my unit on the site has not been updated for nearly four years.
I don't frequent webforums very much except Arrse, and even then very rarely compared to a few years ago.

I don't use it because I was discouraged from doing so by the CoC. As has quite rightly been pointed out, being quickly and easily identified is not an attractive proposition. Regardless of anyone spouting about sticking to your convictions and having moral courage, the fact is that you will get in the shit if someone higher up disagrees with you.

That, and the forums read like TalkBack. It's not fun to be told to wind your neck in, you're wrong, by somebody in his ivory tower who doesn't live the way I do.