Originally Posted by heard_it_all_before

As, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it on the "Nu Labour Projects" watch that the multi-million pound I.T. based system was procured..? A super I.T. system that was to be used from the top to the bottom for controling everything from Manning, Stores Accountability, Finance and Welfare to name but a few, are based; that system obviously being called "JPA"...!

An I.T. system that much like every other I.T. system and every other paper based system's of employee operation that was introduced in every Public Sector department on that same watch, were designed to allow for all the decision making proceses within every Ministerial department to be based e.g. NHS, Social Services, Passport and Identity, ETC. ETC. ETC.

Seems to me the the Major that sent the emails was merely using the system that had, had hundreds of millions of pounds spent on it, to do what it was designed to.

Aren't you getting slightly confused between DII and JPA? You can't send emails from JPA for starters. JPA is definitely a bag of shiite but it definitely sounds like DII you're talking about.

Perhaps the guy who released the email should be binned - y'know on account of having f---ed up severely, publicly exposing his apparent incompetence and for embarassing the firm through said incompetence. I dare say that if one of Gartner's (or any other big, well known company) HR blokes had done a similar faux pas he would have been collecting a P45. Just saying like....

Originally Posted by PoisonDwarf

Aren't you getting slightly confused between DII and JPA? You can't send emails from JPA for starters. JPA is definitely a bag of shiite but it definitely sounds like DII you're talking about.

Perhaps the guy who released the email should be binned - y'know on account of having f---ed up severely, publicly exposing his apparent incompetence and for embarassing the firm through said incompetence. I dare say that if one of Gartner's (or any other big, well known company) HR blokes had done a similar faux pas he would have been collecting a P45. Just saying like....

A number of (Tory) MP's, including Patrick Mercer, were saying exactly the same thing in the House this afternoon. There is no doubt that someone is going to carry the can at Kentigern House, but it will be interesting to see where the buck stops. I doubt the poor, named and shamed SO2 was ultimately responsible for this cluster. He would have been putting the email together on behalf of his SO1, Div Col or perhaps even DMS/MS. OK, he appears to have pressed the "tit" and sent it out over the system, but I hope he is not the one carrying the can - unless he did it off his own back of course.
Whatever, it has led to a very interesting few first days in appointment for the new MS (he only took up post yesterday!).

Originally Posted by dogmeat

Oh, I've had customers in the past claim they never received emails go quiet when I show them server logs showing their PC as having accessed those emails. It's probably not enough for legal standards of proof, but when you get to the point that you both know they're lying, few people can convincingly maintain the act.

"So the server log shows that your computer accessed the mail server and downloaded message number X at 14:37.06 on the day in question and yet you still maintain you know nothing about it? Luckily for you, we now have your computer for a forensic data analysis to help you find proof you never downloaded this email and therefore uphold your claim - let's just hope we don't uncover evidence of something more serious, eh? So - should we keep looking or do you want to reconsider your assertion that you never saw this email?"

Yep, no argument from me it's pretty damning, just not enough for a court if someone really wanted to push it.

I`m surprised that they managed to contact them!

It's been made newsworthy, just seen it on TV. The army has apologised

Originally Posted by I_Even_Disarm_Ducks

It's been made newsworthy, just seen it on TV. The army has apologised

was ARRSE the respected website with current and ex army that was mentioned

They didn't go into detail, just showed a newspaper headline. Wouldn't surprise me if ARRSE was mentioned, seems to be the place where everyone finds out about everything before the news does :D

Is nothing sacred? Shame on them!

Originally Posted by I_Even_Disarm_Ducks

They didn't go into detail, just showed a newspaper headline. Wouldn't surprise me if ARRSE was mentioned, seems to be the place where everyone finds out about everything before the news does :D

Fair point, we (British Armed Forces Federation) first heard about this from ARRSE on Monday night, but we obtained additional info before a BAFF spokesman went on air about this at breakfast time Tuesday morning.

Originally Posted by stacker1

Yes if only they would get rid of the majority of fat, pie eating, PFT dodging arseholes, then the cut backs for fit soldiers won't be half as bad.

Back on the Fatties again are we ??