StickyToffeePudding; are you blind, illiterate or are you just chosing to ignore my comments because you have no comeback. Read, digest and get fecking over it.

The Cadets act as a really good recruiting tool for the Armed Forces. There is more spent on Look At Life courses than there is on the Cadet force budget.
Even if the Cadets don't join the Forces they leave with a good view of the Armed Forces.
I ran a Scout troop, I had to raise all of the money I needed for activities but I got on with it rather than sat around bleating like b1tch unlike some one here.
There are plenty in the TA who happily take the pay but have no intention of ever deploying because it is their hobby.
Despite having no other instructors other than my wife I spent far less time doing admin that what my brother does as a Detachment Commander. They have a lot to take and have to learn the MOD way of doing thing such as accounting, security and equipment care.
I will think you'll find that not that many instructors manage to get the full 28 days pay in. You certainly don't join the Cadet Force as an instructor for the money.

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

I also think that when you're strongest argument in a discussion is

"ACF Instructors should not be paid because scout leaders aren't paid"

You either need educating on the difference on the Youth Organisations, or you are a complete idiot.

Now, I have given you the choice, so I'm not calling anybody an idiot.

However, to ensure that it's a fair test, I have provided the following information:

http://www.armycadets.com/home/
http://scouts.org.uk/

you can now go ahead and read that. once done, you can either return and declare yourself an idiot, or come back with a reasonable argument.

but the argument 'people shouldn't pay car tax because they don't pay horse tax and you can ride a horse on the road' is useless... as is the equally useless 'cadet AIs shouldn't be paid because scout leaders aren't, and scouts is a youth organisation too'

Who said AI's should get paid because Scout Leaders dont?

You seem to be under the deluded impression that your average AI gets paid a kings ransom week in week out, if so you are very much mistaken. You obviously have little or no knowledge of what is and what isnt paid and if you did you would understand a couple of things.

1: Most AI dont just turn up at 1855 on a parade night and knock off at 2105. I am normally at Detachment from 1800 after travelling 20 mins to 2130 (sometimes later) with the 20 minute return journey.

2: My Detachment parades 2 nights a week, I do not just do cadet related work on those 2 nights, a lot of extra work goes into lesson prep, training programmes, run up to any civil events (people like to see the cadets raising money for charities for example the poppy appeal), weekends, camps, expeditions the list goes on.

3: After paying for fuel for attending parade nights on the average month (at least 8 nights) I may come away with £2 more than I have paid out, so as far as your earlier quip about ticking a box, putting in my claim and planning the next holiday with the missus this is based on pure supposition with no supportiong facts.

4: Since PTD's were stopped the quality of training, attendance of adults (without whom the ACF would cease to function) has suffered very little.

Your earlier rants sounded like a jealous, bitter and twisted person since we have learned that there is nothing to be jealous of perhaps the latter of the two may apply? Were you infact rejected in your application to be an AI, were you publicly chastised by an AI or are you simply....... simple.

Perhaps we should level up, not level down, and look at this argument from another perspective

I think scoutmasters should be paid too. Anyone who works with our youth, and invests in the nations future in that way deserves renumeration.

There are state sector employees and doing far less for the nation for far more than AIs will ever get.

'A volunteer is twice the citizen'
WS Churchill

Originally Posted by Knoxy

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

I also think that when you're strongest argument in a discussion is

"ACF Instructors should not be paid because scout leaders aren't paid"

You either need educating on the difference on the Youth Organisations, or you are a complete idiot.

Now, I have given you the choice, so I'm not calling anybody an idiot.

However, to ensure that it's a fair test, I have provided the following information:

http://www.armycadets.com/home/
http://scouts.org.uk/

you can now go ahead and read that. once done, you can either return and declare yourself an idiot, or come back with a reasonable argument.

but the argument 'people shouldn't pay car tax because they don't pay horse tax and you can ride a horse on the road' is useless... as is the equally useless 'cadet AIs shouldn't be paid because scout leaders aren't, and scouts is a youth organisation too'

Who said AI's should get paid because Scout Leaders dont?

You seem to be under the deluded impression that your average AI gets paid a kings ransom week in week out, if so you are very much mistaken. You obviously have little or no knowledge of what is and what isnt paid and if you did you would understand a couple of things.

1: Most AI dont just turn up at 1855 on a parade night and knock off at 2105. I am normally at Detachment from 1800 after travelling 20 mins to 2130 (sometimes later) with the 20 minute return journey.

2: My Detachment parades 2 nights a week, I do not just do cadet related work on those 2 nights, a lot of extra work goes into lesson prep, training programmes, run up to any civil events (people like to see the cadets raising money for charities for example the poppy appeal), weekends, camps, expeditions the list goes on.

3: After paying for fuel for attending parade nights on the average month (at least 8 nights) I may come away with £2 more than I have paid out, so as far as your earlier quip about ticking a box, putting in my claim and planning the next holiday with the missus this is based on pure supposition with no supportiong facts.

4: Since PTD's were stopped the quality of training, attendance of adults (without whom the ACF would cease to function) has suffered very little.

Your earlier rants sounded like a jealous, bitter and twisted person since we have learned that there is nothing to be jealous of perhaps the latter of the two may apply? Were you infact rejected in your application to be an AI, were you publicly chastised by an AI or are you simply....... simple.

was that aimed at me?

Nah

More aimed toward STP the chap really got my goat up and I posted in frustration. Soz if it appeared so. Will regain composure as I am aware you gave support to the AI cause.

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

was that aimed at me?

Yeah, its all about you. This whole site is dedicated to you.

You fcuking mong.

Originally Posted by walt_of_the_walts

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

was that aimed at me?

Yeah, its all about you. This whole site is dedicated to you.

You fcuking mong.

Agreed!

But I digress...

It's truely wonderful to see the ACF defenders jump through hoops defending their pay and allowences like a parent dragging a rapist off their daughter.

As yet no-one has put forward a case justifying CFAVs being paid between £50+ to £150+ per day, plus clocking up the MMA claims. In fact, a case has been made that cutting ACF MTDs has no or little effect on most cadet training activities.

That being the case, and in light of the fact that the majority of national uniformed youth organisations don't pay or give allowences to their voulunteers, there is no requirement to continue to pay CFAVs for the organisations to continue to flourish.

Slap your chops as much as you like about it, you jack barstewards, you lucky, lucky sucking on th MoD cash-cow teet 'volunteers', others do similar for nothing!

STP

You are a chod of both biblical and epic proportions.

I wish to have no further dealings with you as you have absolutly no idea what you are whitering about. OUT

Originally Posted by Knoxy

STP

You are a chod of both biblical and epic proportions.

I wish to have no further dealings with you as you have absolutly no idea what you are whitering about. OUT

Can't take the heat sunshine?

Never mind, you can go away and sub your lack of pay by jacking up the sweetie prices for NAAFI break and cream off all the profits...

Originally Posted by walt_of_the_walts

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

was that aimed at me?

Yeah, its all about you. This whole site is dedicated to you.

You fcuking mong.

me?

it's you that expects the world to fall at your feet because you're a real soldier, just in cadets... but the uniform makes you real... right?