Thread: TRF's DZ flashes and regt accrouments cadets and Adults

I know for a fact my brother, as a Detachment Commander, spends a hell of lot of time doing admin. He does the admin in his own time so it doesn't impact on his parade nights. He spends more time doing admin that I ever did as a Scout troop leader. He rarely takes his full allocation of paid training, all he claims for is his fuel, which is fair enough as he is 30 minutes drive away.

Like I said, StickyToffePudding; stop being so fcuking chippy about the funding. The day the Scouts etc wear the Queens uniform is the day you will get funding. The Cadet forces have been running longer than the Scouts so suck it up Princess. As I have said before, I used to be a Scout troop leader and I wasn't a chippy cnut so get over it.

Originally Posted by RUCFOREVER

If you think it's easy give it a try like most hobbies it ends up costing you money ,to start with we don't get issued 95s or boots so that comes out of our own pockets.

Whereabouts are you? The ACF is certainly scaled for 95s and boots.

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

Originally Posted by RUCFOREVER

If you think it's easy give it a try like most hobbies it ends up costing you money ,to start with we don't get issued 95s or boots so that comes out of our own pockets.

Whereabouts are you? The ACF is certainly scaled for 95s and boots.

But I wear Light Blue :D get that issued but not greens.

Originally Posted by RUCFOREVER

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

Originally Posted by RUCFOREVER

If you think it's easy give it a try like most hobbies it ends up costing you money ,to start with we don't get issued 95s or boots so that comes out of our own pockets.

Whereabouts are you? The ACF is certainly scaled for 95s and boots.

But I wear Light Blue :D get that issued but not greens.

a ha, one of those. sorry didn't read it properly :D

well you get free Ben Sherman shirts so I don't know why you're moaning ;)

To go back to an earlier question

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

But if it is no longer an item marking qualification, and it is worn by all those in the parachute regiment, tell me why ACF PWRR should wear a PWRR beret, why ACF RIFLES wear a RIFLES beret, why ACF AAC wear an AAC beret, but ACF PARA should wear dark blue?

I don't see where the link has broken, if the above is correct, that's all.

I've not expressed any opinion. Do I want to see ACF types cutting about in Maroon tops? Do I fcuk! Im just questioning the logic.

Because If ACF PARA want to wear a maroon lid then they need to do P Coy. Those are the rules for the Regiment. Recruits at ITC get to wear the beret with a backing after week 6 (I think) and only upon successful completion of PPS do they get to wear it without. Joining the regiment is hard and for them the maroon beret reflects this.

Originally Posted by fraudstar

To go back to an earlier question

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

But if it is no longer an item marking qualification, and it is worn by all those in the parachute regiment, tell me why ACF PWRR should wear a PWRR beret, why ACF RIFLES wear a RIFLES beret, why ACF AAC wear an AAC beret, but ACF PARA should wear dark blue?

I don't see where the link has broken, if the above is correct, that's all.

I've not expressed any opinion. Do I want to see ACF types cutting about in Maroon tops? Do I fcuk! Im just questioning the logic.

Because If ACF PARA want to wear a maroon lid then they need to do P Coy. Those are the rules for the Regiment. Recruits at ITC get to wear the beret with a backing after week 6 (I think) and only upon successful completion of PPS do they get to wear it without. Joining the regiment is hard and for them the maroon beret reflects this.

I am under the impression, however, that this has now actually changed.

I had been told (I am open to correction!) that in the old days, P Coy meant Maroon Beret; Jumps course meant Wings.

However, now the Wings situation remains the same, but anybody serving in 16AA Bde wears the maroon beret, regardless of P Coy completion.

If I am wrong, do correct me!

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

If I am wrong, do correct me!

We do, then you just bitch about it...

I see nothing in your earlier posts that justifies the paying of between £50+ to £150+ a day (or £1,400+ to £4,200+ per year based on 28 days pay) to CFAVs (and many get a lot more than 28 days pay too!).

Or to put it in real money, I see nothing that supports a part time 'volunteer' youth worker in his/her hobby earning nearly the same if not more on a daily basis at weekends and longer camps than the lowest paid adult soldier on the front line in AFG.

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

Originally Posted by fraudstar

To go back to an earlier question

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

But if it is no longer an item marking qualification, and it is worn by all those in the parachute regiment, tell me why ACF PWRR should wear a PWRR beret, why ACF RIFLES wear a RIFLES beret, why ACF AAC wear an AAC beret, but ACF PARA should wear dark blue?

I don't see where the link has broken, if the above is correct, that's all.

I've not expressed any opinion. Do I want to see ACF types cutting about in Maroon tops? Do I fcuk! Im just questioning the logic.

Because If ACF PARA want to wear a maroon lid then they need to do P Coy. Those are the rules for the Regiment. Recruits at ITC get to wear the beret with a backing after week 6 (I think) and only upon successful completion of PPS do they get to wear it without. Joining the regiment is hard and for them the maroon beret reflects this.

I am under the impression, however, that this has now actually changed.

I had been told (I am open to correction!) that in the old days, P Coy meant Maroon Beret; Jumps course meant Wings.

However, now the Wings situation remains the same, but anybody serving in 16AA Bde wears the maroon beret, regardless of P Coy completion.

If I am wrong, do correct me!

The maroon beret is worn by units in 16AA Bde. Regardless of P Company. No ACF unit is in 16 though. Aside from the exceptions quoted previously such as for those who have passed P Coy and are posted from an airborne unit to a training establishment, upon leaving 16 the normal Corps/Regiment headdress is worn.

Except for the Parachute Regiment, where the maroon beret, once earned is always worn.

Do ACF instructors have MOD 90s ?

Originally Posted by fraudstar

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

Originally Posted by fraudstar

To go back to an earlier question

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

But if it is no longer an item marking qualification, and it is worn by all those in the parachute regiment, tell me why ACF PWRR should wear a PWRR beret, why ACF RIFLES wear a RIFLES beret, why ACF AAC wear an AAC beret, but ACF PARA should wear dark blue?

I don't see where the link has broken, if the above is correct, that's all.

I've not expressed any opinion. Do I want to see ACF types cutting about in Maroon tops? Do I fcuk! Im just questioning the logic.

Because If ACF PARA want to wear a maroon lid then they need to do P Coy. Those are the rules for the Regiment. Recruits at ITC get to wear the beret with a backing after week 6 (I think) and only upon successful completion of PPS do they get to wear it without. Joining the regiment is hard and for them the maroon beret reflects this.

I am under the impression, however, that this has now actually changed.

I had been told (I am open to correction!) that in the old days, P Coy meant Maroon Beret; Jumps course meant Wings.

However, now the Wings situation remains the same, but anybody serving in 16AA Bde wears the maroon beret, regardless of P Coy completion.

If I am wrong, do correct me!

The maroon beret is worn by units in 16AA Bde. Regardless of P Company. No ACF unit is in 16 though. Aside from the exceptions quoted previously such as for those who have passed P Coy and are posted from an airborne unit to a training establishment, upon leaving 16 the normal Corps/Regiment headdress is worn.

Except for the Parachute Regiment, where the maroon beret, once earned is always worn.

Yep, I posted that about 2 pages ago! Almost exactly how you worded it!

So, if you can wear it in 16AA without qualification, it would suggest it's not a qualification item. And thus anybody badged Para would wear it.

I think the key is, as somebody mentioned, you wear what your sponsor unit allows you to wear. If the Rifles let you wear green, wear it. If the Paras don't want you wearing Maroon, don't! There's nothing more to it!

You're missing the point. It's not that the paras don't want the ACF to wear it out of virtue of them being ACF but that para reg recruits don't get to wear it until earned.

But then if you understood it wouldn't have to be explained.

Originally Posted by fraudstar

You're missing the point. It's not that the paras don't want the ACF to wear it out of virtue of them being ACF but that para reg recruits don't get to wear it until earned.

But then if you understood it wouldn't have to be explained.

Personally I'd rather hear all cadet forces officers pay for MTDs being withdrawn and more MTD allowances for the TA...

Originally Posted by raspberry

Personally I'd rather hear all cadet forces officers pay for MTDs being withdrawn and more MTD allowances for the TA...

Or, even better, an increase in TA MTDs and pay for CFAVs.

All CFAVs should be paid. The work that they put in, in their spare time, is a lot, and significantly more than most TA Pte's put in in their spare time.

The ACF is no more of a hobby to it's members than the TA is to it's members. They serve different purposes but both are hobbies that also significantly help the MoD, and thus the MoD should properly fund both and pay both.

Originally Posted by thingypuddingwhatever

Or to put it in real money, I see nothing that supports a part time 'volunteer' youth worker in his/her hobby earning nearly the same if not more on a daily basis at weekends and longer camps than the lowest paid adult soldier on the front line in AFG.

don't disagree. but the same could be said for the TA, especially the old fart 'enablers' who sneak through their bounty (yeah, CFT my arse, you can fit 7 utility pouches on your webbing... types) and get paid £shitloads a day too.

The MoD should just get a grip and start paying everybody properly, really.

The reality is though, soldiers jobs and ACF jobs are different, and thus come under different pay headers. And with the duty of care and responsibility that ACF AIs have when on duty, there is no doubt they should be paid, REGARDLESS of what frontline troops are paid - as the issues for frontline troops are entirely seperate from those of the cadets.

Originally Posted by therealbigdizzle

Originally Posted by raspberry

Personally I'd rather hear all cadet forces officers pay for MTDs being withdrawn and more MTD allowances for the TA...

Or, even better, an increase in TA MTDs and pay for CFAVs.

All CFAVs should be paid. The work that they put in, in their spare time, is a lot, and significantly more than most TA Pte's put in in their spare time.

The ACF is no more of a hobby to it's members than the TA is to it's members. They serve different purposes but both are hobbies that also significantly help the MoD, and thus the MoD should properly fund both and pay both.

Originally Posted by thingypuddingwhatever

Or to put it in real money, I see nothing that supports a part time 'volunteer' youth worker in his/her hobby earning nearly the same if not more on a daily basis at weekends and longer camps than the lowest paid adult soldier on the front line in AFG.

don't disagree. but the same could be said for the TA, especially the old fart 'enablers' who sneak through their bounty (yeah, CFT my arse, you can fit 7 utility pouches on your webbing... types) and get paid £shitloads a day too.

The MoD should just get a grip and start paying everybody properly, really.

The reality is though, soldiers jobs and ACF jobs are different, and thus come under different pay headers. And with the duty of care and responsibility that ACF AIs have when on duty, there is no doubt they should be paid, REGARDLESS of what frontline troops are paid - as the issues for frontline troops are entirely seperate from those of the cadets.

Personally I blame fighting a war on 2 fronts (Iraq and Afghan) as far to expensive financially, we simply don’t the money for it, it’s costing too much and they’re having to cut the amount they have to spend wherever they can, save £30 here, £40 there, yet they don’t mind issuing us with javelin missiles to fire at Taliban in sandles with an AK-47, which costs £16,000 a pop.
Everyone should be paid in theory as whilst being a TA soldier can be just as challenging as being regular, being a cadet instructor requires a lot of commitment, as much as a TA soldier has to put in, would be nice for both to be paid, but as it stands, we are skint.