Perhaps then it is the loss of the kudos of being a "volunteer"?

The moment you put on some self brought DPM and get your own rifle, you become a sportsman, and not (apparently) some kind of fucking martyr who is "in it for the kids"*







*Insert own joke here.

Tom,

can you just confirm (as is my understanding) Adult training goes like this...

County run. Adult Recruit Weekends (Instruction training, ACF ethos, ACF history, aCF Org, red book test, Skills and drills) as a PI.

CTT run. Adult Instructor Training Course (MOI, field exercises etc) as a PI.

Promotiom to SI on reports of above received.

CTC run. Instructor Training Course. as a SI.

Promotion to SSI, in due course.

ARD, SR, LR and KGVI as deemed neccesary after SI.

Getting confused with mention of county run 'ITCs', are these the Adult Recruit Weekends for PIs?

Originally Posted by Alan Partridge

Perhaps then it is the loss of the kudos of being a "volunteer"?

The moment you put on some self brought DPM and get your own rifle, you become a sportsman, and not (apparently) some kind of fucking martyr who is "in it for the kids"*







*Insert own joke here.

Stick a BFT on day one of all the courses........ That will put many off.

Originally Posted by Porridge_gun

Stick a BFT on day one of all the courses........ That will put many off.

Now that I would like to see, but the sensible person inside me knows it's not really needed.

Personally, I would make all CFAVs accountable to military law on duty, not just the officers. Perhaps some sort of system similar to the one that allows certain civillians abroad to come under military law.

Half the problems I have seen seem to stem from the fact a CFAV thinks "I am a volunteer. This means I can do what the fuck I want and cry if anyone picks me up up it", not "I am a volunteer, I am volunteering to accept the values and standards of the uniform that other people are so proud of and worked to hard to wear".

Originally Posted by Porridge_gun

Stick a BFT on day one of all the courses........ That will put many off.

Yes, it will. But not neccesarily the ones you want to put off.

IIRC (and I do) the Field Exercise on the CTT run AITC was usually off putting to many of those who weren't as commited as others thought. I remember one old girl, had a child in the ACF and was in her late 40's. Was practically crying at the thought of the AITC.

She passed. Has stayed in Cadets and runs the tuck shop/welfare area on Camps and weekends. She wasn't a bad Instructor either. But I don't she instructs, even in det.

When a Cadet hurt themselves or didn't want to continue you KNEW they weren't going to appear on the lake sde unsupervised. They'd be wrapped up warm, in dry clothe and sipping on a hot choc (in winter) or cool drink (in summer).

What's better is when the CTT Instrs came off the lake she always sorted us out with a warm or cold drink!!!

Originally Posted by Alan Partridge

Now that I would like to see, but the sensible person inside me knows it's not really needed.

Personally, I would make all CFAVs accountable to military law on duty, not just the officers. Perhaps some sort of system similar to the one that allows certain civillians abroad to come under military law.

Half the problems I have seen seem to stem from the fact a CFAV thinks "I am a volunteer. This means I can do what the fuck I want and cry if anyone picks me up up it", not "I am a volunteer, I am volunteering to accept the values and standards of the uniform that other people are so proud of and worked to hard to wear".

CFAVs ARE accountable for their actions. If they don't accept the V&S of the ACF they can be removed. They can not do anything they like.

True - I just have the feeling that the "military law" stick might encourage a few to raise their game.

Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Alan Partridge

Now that I would like to see, but the sensible person inside me knows it's not really needed.

Personally, I would make all CFAVs accountable to military law on duty, not just the officers. Perhaps some sort of system similar to the one that allows certain civillians abroad to come under military law.

Half the problems I have seen seem to stem from the fact a CFAV thinks "I am a volunteer. This means I can do what the fuck I want and cry if anyone picks me up up it", not "I am a volunteer, I am volunteering to accept the values and standards of the uniform that other people are so proud of and worked to hard to wear".

That last paragraph is not a bad idea in principle, although i believe that more robust action from the county/company CoC would solve many of the problems. It winds me up when i see crap examples set by CFAV,s which then go unchecked,for example, people just not being arsed to turn up at detachments, with little or no excuse or no warning. People in uniform, particularly in the public eye not adhering to the standards expected, I,ve seen some dire examples and believe these people need a rifting, and if they are going to spit the dummy out then they should be told to do one in no uncertain terms.
The problem is as ever, the chronic shortage of adult staff, which means that the above examples remain

I can't comment on how the ACF should be run, but to my mind I couldn't give a toss how short staffed people are, if you don't shape up you should fuck off.

I wouldn't continue to allow a soldier to continue the way he was because I was short of his particular CEQ in the unit.

Originally Posted by Alan Partridge

I can't comment on how the ACF should be run, but to my mind I couldn't give a toss how short staffed people are, if you don't shape up you should fuck off.

I wouldn't continue to allow a soldier to continue the way he was because I was short of his particular CEQ in the unit.

You,ll get no argument from me with regard to binning people who don,t shape up.
I,d rather see quality staff retained and the bluffers and wasters chinned off, even if that meant fewer detachments but with better quality instructors, the kids will still attend, even if that means travelling further to a different venue as i saw recently when a detachment closed near me. However, i have been led to believe that if a county has fewer detachments, it receives less funding. I don,t know wether this is true or not but it would explain at least in part, why poor staff are allowed to continue.

Of course, if you bin a soldier who is not performing, you will soon have a replacement as in the current job climate especially, potential recruits are flowing through the doors of the AFCO,s.
The same can,t be said for the ACF.