ARmy Rumour SErvice

Originally Posted by Command_doh

Fair enough. Waste of time then.

More than likely.

I can't believe this has turned into 5 pages of holier than thou bullshit over a rumour somebody heard.

I don't see any dialogue about adult responsibilities & cadet welfare as a waste of time. It should certainly be of more interest to a CFAV than what badges you can sew on your uniform or the inconsequential details of the new cadet gat - if only because pushing in the TMH pins in the wrong order isn't likely to get you a criminal conviction like making a balls up of handling child abuse procedures.

Good communication and openness, is the antithesis of the environment that allows abuse to take place; they are quite useful to conducting good & safe activities too. If the system has left you in any doubt of how to deal with child abuse issues you'd be well advised to go directly to a professional child welfare agency. They can advise you you're talking out of your arrse if that's the case, without you having to worry about recriminations, reputation or your relationship with your fellow CFAV's. It's also your best assurance things will be dealt with properly if your concerns prove well founded.

I would add that a 16yr old can lawfully have a sexual relationship and has a right to privacy. It's no business of their parents if they are, and if they have chosen not to tell them it could be because they expect their olds would inflict something more damaging on them.

AI's shouldnt be having relationships with cadets. i dont care what sex either of them is, or what age, could be 17 and 19, shouldn't do it. if you're a witness to it or have some kind of proof (confiscate a phone, they all have cameras these days, if one has nekkid pictures of the other thats proof enough), get it reported and if the AI isnt gone then by all means kick it up a notch. if you just heard a rumour then shut your mouth and carry on.
same goes for the rest of the army, a 23 year old lance corporal at an atr shouldnt be doing a recruit three years their senior let alone younger, a major shouldnt be doing a captain under their command, etc. if you have authority over someone then a physical relationship is out of order, even if its not against the law. as above, if you are witness or have proof report it, if you just heard a rumour stfu.
having been cleared of something similar once, i know exactly the kind of hell you can be in when someone hears a rumour, and decides to do something about it.

Originally Posted by Command_doh

Thanks for correcting my inadvertent grammatical mistake, now you have just proven my theory that you are a rather fixated oddball. The typical retort of the ignorant. What's wrong with an eye for detail and an understanding of the English language ? Didn't finish high school, eh ? I would reduce myself to abusing you back in kind and swearing at you personally (which you clearly enjoy as you have done it twice now), No I don't enjoy it but as you have set yourself up as a blunt military type, I reckon it's the only language a NAFFI-ite like you can understand but unlike you I have better things to do. Tell me, are you always such a pedant, or only on hand-wringing, touchy - feely issues? Actually, I can't be bothered, do what you want. Why is it that people like you always write that they can't be bothered end up writing something which shows they can be bothered ? I did what I wanted - I gave advice. At least I can accept a view that isn't my own if it's been thought out. You on the other hand are showing yourself to be intolerant, arrogant, fixated on me and ignorant .........

I still stand by the point that anyone tragic enough to ask for advice on a military - themed website if there is serious foul play or kiddy - fiddling (always seems to touch a raw nerve in here) involved rather than going straight to the plod is either a fuckwit, a gossip merchant or in some way retarded. Possibly all three.

No-one is talking about child abuse here - or 'serious foul play. Only on what to do if you become aware that someting might be going on which isn't allowed in that organisation. So, according to you God-Emperor, there are only three types of person ? How tolerant and gracious of you. Perhaps the OP thought he would get some sound advice on here. Not everyone thinks that ARRSE is a website purely for saying shit bollox cock etc.

If you were going to waste your time responding to my bollox then you could at least have responded to my questions and points raised but I don't suppose you have thought anything you have written through properly.

There are three options the OP can do.
(i) ignore things but keep an ear to the ground
(ii) report the matter and see what happens.
(iii) shout " go on my son - get in there". And ignore the law and codes that the organisation is supposed to adhere to.

So commandoh - how about answering the points I raised about the kids parents etc. You are showing an appalling lack of parental empathy. At least I know I could fiddle with your 16 year old daughter and you'd pat me on the back. After all - she is legal.

Jeez man, at least learn how to have a rational debate and put your point across and shoot down the 'oppositions' in a coherent way.


Now over to you for the last word ...................... (which will not answer my points or questions put to you).
D_B

Originally Posted by dogs_bollox

No-one is talking about child abuse here - or 'serious foul play. Only on what to do if you become aware that somethin might be going on which isn't allowed in that organisation. So, according to you God-Emperor, there are only three types of person ? How tolerant and gracious of you. Perhaps the OP thought he would get some sound advice on here. Not everyone thinks that ARRSE is a website purely for saying shit bollox cock etc.

If you were going to waste your time responding to my bollox then you could at least have responded to my questions and points raised but I don't suppose you have thought anything you have written through properly.

There are three options the OP can do.
(i) ignore things but keep an ear to the ground
(ii) report the matter and see what happens.
(iii) shout " go on my son - get in there". And ignore the law and codes that the organisation is supposed to adhere to.

So commandoh - how about answering the points I raised about the kids parents etc. You are showing an appalling lack of parental empathy. At least I know I could fiddle with your 16 year old daughter and you'd pat me on the back. After all - she is legal.

Jeez man, at least learn how to have a rational debate and put your point across and shoot down the 'oppositions' in a coherent way.


Now over to you for the last word ...................... (which will not answer my points or questions put to you).
D_B

Have you missed the point of my mocking completely, you dreary bore? I had no intention of ever entering in a debate with you. Why would I want to smack my metaphorical gums wasting time with an apparent senior citizen with a fixation on political correctness, running to the authorities at the first sniff of a rumour and who is perfectly happy to fall back on 'fuck off you turd' in the first instance? Quite immature. I was more concerned with your intolerable Nu-Labour Political Correctness/hand-wringing dithering than the subject matter at hand. Again, you really seem to think me being a parent or not is relevant, yet I fail to see how it is. I had nothing to add to the original point, and you are clearly asserting that if I have no children I am not allowed to comment and if I do then I am a Neanderthal or something. Either way, you are apparently trying to remove my ability to respond or comment, which is clearly not within your 'power'.

Why, on Gods green Earth man, would I want to engage with you on a subject when I have already quite clearly stated that I think you are a panic-stricken, Daily Mail reading 'Shocked, of Tunbridge Wells' type person? It would serve no possible purpose. At least my mocking of you is mild in comparison to your rather childish assertions that I did not finish High (what a quaint Americanism Surely you mean Secondary?) School and telling me I'm a piece of shit and to fuck off. If we are to talk in terms of contradictions, you have done precisely that - resorting to Naafi - talk when originally bemoaning the fact that the 'serious (ha,ha!) section' had been reduced to the same levels. You can't have it both ways, genius.

Please respond. I am usually at work when I read Arrse so I could do with a chuckle.

Originally Posted by velcrostripes

I agree with Ravers. What possible good can it do to out this relationship ? It would do a lot of harm : Broken marriage , possible gaol time for the instructor ,
" counselling " for the Cadet , the Daily Mail's mock outrage , etc.
If the lad's over 16 , good luck to him.

Originally Posted by semper

and if it is a girl who is 16+ with a Male AI, do you feel the same ?

Velcrostripes or indeed anyone else has not yet answered this question directly.

Originally Posted by semper

Velcrostripes or indeed anyone else has not yet answered this question directly.

For some reason men don't take such a high moral stance where it's a woman who has broken the trust. I don't. Anyone who is in a position of trust who betrays that trust should, at the very least be removed from that position of trust.

However, I'm aware that, in this situation, this is just rumour and unsubstantiated gossip. If there was some substance to it then , I'm afraid, the minimum course of action should be to sack the AI.

Originally Posted by Markintime

For some reason men don't take such a high moral stance where it's a woman who has broken the trust. I don't. Anyone who is in a position of trust who betrays that trust should, at the very least be removed from that position of trust.

However, I'm aware that, in this situation, this is just rumour and unsubstantiated gossip. If there was some substance to it then , I'm afraid, the minimum course of action should be to sack the AI.

That's the double standards I am concerned about, after all if everybody takes the high moral ground with regards to the Female AI yet pour fires of eternal hell on the Male AI with a female Cadet, it does seem a tad hypocritical, the saying "whats good for the Goose is good for the Gander" comes to mind, no one can have it both ways.

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A thought occurred to me, since it is a well known fact teen girls are more mature than teen boys, they must also be sexually aware and equally willing, it takes two to tango, the bloke may think he has the advantage, yet when the fall out inevitably occurs, the girl is perceived to be the victim when its the bloke that may be taken advantage of and is the real victim, he gets sent down with his life ruined, while she walks away, beware the power of the female !