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Are you some sort of fcuking commie?? Or do you work for the MOD?
Read my post carefully you muppet. I clearly state that if this story is true then it is shocking.
But The Hate has a track record of lies and agitation to support its own agenda. Believe me, it is not a friend of the Forces - and I would hate Arrsers (including chronically stupid ones like you) to fly off on one and start sending angry emails to people who do not deserve them because an evil and irresponsible rag has prompted them to do so.
So, as I say, I would like to see it independently reported elsewhere first before I believe it. Then I too will be making representations.
Will do 762. As you say I'm sure that the story has been through "The Mail" machine, however I'm equally sure that there is plenty of truth there too. Let's see what response we get.
Every single person who as complained should be named and shamed .
They should be deeply ashamed of themselves our soldiers fight for queen and country and this is the way in which our soldier's and there familys are treated .
I expect not one person as served in the armed forces who is complaining .
The people who are complaining may have the money to buy material things to keep them happy .
But the one thing our soldiers and their family have is love and respect from the british public ,which is one thing that these people wont be getting .
I have never heard such narrow minded opinions from people in my life .
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:27 am
I think the security aspect is just a front, as they would probably want some one living there of note rather than a bunch of disabled soldiers, and NO I am not having a go at the soldiers but just some peoples very narrow minds
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:29 am
many of the residents are not prepared to be quoted, be interesting to see if they are willing to stand and be named in an public enquiry.
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:39 am
Beneath contempt.
I shall resist the urge to sh*t through thier letter boxes, have drunken partys on their front lawn, leaving empty Special Brew Tins and used crack pipes in the street.
What the fook do they expect from families visiting their loved one's in hospital?
VB has a good point though, pity that yet again we have to rely on charity to give that which the MOD and Senior CoC is unable, unwilling or incapable of providing.
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I shall resist the urge to sh*t through thier letter boxes, have drunken partys on their front lawn, leaving empty Special Brew Tins and used crack pipes in the street.
What the fook do they expect from families visiting their loved one's in hospital?
VB has a good point though, pity that yet again we have to rely on charity to give that which the MOD and Senior CoC is unable, unwilling or incapable of providing.
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:46 am
siggie47:
Are you some sort of fcuking commie?? Or do you work for the MOD?
Read my post carefully you muppet. I clearly state that if this story is true then it is shocking.
But The Hate has a track record of lies and agitation to support its own agenda. Believe me, it is not a friend of the Forces - and I would hate Arrsers (including chronically stupid ones like you) to fly off on one and start sending angry emails to people who do not deserve them because an evil and irresponsible rag has prompted them to do so.
So, as I say, I would like to see it independently reported elsewhere first before I believe it. Then I too will be making representations.
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:09 am
I emailed this to Mr Paul Le Versha who is Chaiman of Ashstead residents association:
Dear Mr Le Versha
I am writing to you with regard to an article that appeared in The Daily Mail website on 15/7/07 www.dailymail.co.uk/pa...e_id=1770. I am aware that "The Mail" is a newspaper that is designed to raise indignation, however I think in this context it is entirely justified.
I served my country in Iraq in 03/04 and saw many British and American soldiers who were injured. The American soldiers on returning home could at least look forward to a hero’s welcome and the best healthcare in perpetuity. The British soldiers on returning home have certainly had no hero's welcome but at least have access (when space is available) to places such as Headly Court where their hardworking staff can alleviate some of the pain and suffering.
Many of the British soldiers, sailors and airmen who have lost limbs, faces and bits of their brain are very, very young. Some would say too young. I would say that many of those injured soldiers are the same age as many of the youngsters who are still living at home in Ashstead and who's parents are opposing the purchase of a residential home in proximity to Headly Court so that soldiers parents can visit and nurture what remains of their young sons and daughters.
I would urge you as Chairman of the Ashstead residents Association to be compassionate and understanding. The name of Ashstead is already becoming associated with an anti forces feeling in the UK, now would be a good opportunity to show that your community cares for those very young people who have been a shining example of just how good and decent the youth of Britain can be. These lads and lasses have had much of their future removed from them; please do not make the situation worse by denying their families the ability to see them.
Please have some compassion for our injured service men and women and support the purchase of the residential home and its related usage with Headly Court.
Yours Sincerely
I hope it gets the point across.
Dear Mr Le Versha
I am writing to you with regard to an article that appeared in The Daily Mail website on 15/7/07 www.dailymail.co.uk/pa...e_id=1770. I am aware that "The Mail" is a newspaper that is designed to raise indignation, however I think in this context it is entirely justified.
I served my country in Iraq in 03/04 and saw many British and American soldiers who were injured. The American soldiers on returning home could at least look forward to a hero’s welcome and the best healthcare in perpetuity. The British soldiers on returning home have certainly had no hero's welcome but at least have access (when space is available) to places such as Headly Court where their hardworking staff can alleviate some of the pain and suffering.
Many of the British soldiers, sailors and airmen who have lost limbs, faces and bits of their brain are very, very young. Some would say too young. I would say that many of those injured soldiers are the same age as many of the youngsters who are still living at home in Ashstead and who's parents are opposing the purchase of a residential home in proximity to Headly Court so that soldiers parents can visit and nurture what remains of their young sons and daughters.
I would urge you as Chairman of the Ashstead residents Association to be compassionate and understanding. The name of Ashstead is already becoming associated with an anti forces feeling in the UK, now would be a good opportunity to show that your community cares for those very young people who have been a shining example of just how good and decent the youth of Britain can be. These lads and lasses have had much of their future removed from them; please do not make the situation worse by denying their families the ability to see them.
Please have some compassion for our injured service men and women and support the purchase of the residential home and its related usage with Headly Court.
Yours Sincerely
I hope it gets the point across.
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:17 am
"These people should be ashamed of themselves!
These boys in hospital have given away their everything but their lives for this country!
The least these people can do is offer them an opportunity to see their families.
God forbid oil-exectives and other high rollers should have to mingle with honest working men and women!
- Peter Rafferty, Swansea, Wales, UK"
Hear hear, the amount of energy these residents have to oppose this would go well to things that really mattered. Selfish barestards the lot of em. They should be really ashamed of themselves.
These boys in hospital have given away their everything but their lives for this country!
The least these people can do is offer them an opportunity to see their families.
God forbid oil-exectives and other high rollers should have to mingle with honest working men and women!
- Peter Rafferty, Swansea, Wales, UK"
Hear hear, the amount of energy these residents have to oppose this would go well to things that really mattered. Selfish barestards the lot of em. They should be really ashamed of themselves.
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:28 am
Nicely worded Farmboy. Will you post the response?
As I said in my first post, lets wait to see if this story is as true as it is made out. If it is then it is another case of how those who have benefited most by the sacrafice of others seem to care the least.
As I said in my first post, lets wait to see if this story is as true as it is made out. If it is then it is another case of how those who have benefited most by the sacrafice of others seem to care the least.
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:39 am
762baynet:
Nicely worded Farmboy. Will you post the response?
As I said in my first post, lets wait to see if this story is as true as it is made out. If it is then it is another case of how those who have benefited most by the sacrafice of others seem to care the least.
As I said in my first post, lets wait to see if this story is as true as it is made out. If it is then it is another case of how those who have benefited most by the sacrafice of others seem to care the least.
Will do 762. As you say I'm sure that the story has been through "The Mail" machine, however I'm equally sure that there is plenty of truth there too. Let's see what response we get.
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:47 am
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But residents apparently do mind. They have flooded the council with almost 100 letters of protest, raising every conceivable objection to the new property being used to house families visiting soldiers.
They claimed 'additional noise' and 'huge amount of additional traffic' would ruin the peace of the private lane and warned that the value of their multi-million-pound properties would plummet.
The families 'would not be welcome', they said, and their arrival could 'destroy the character' of the area.
They claimed 'additional noise' and 'huge amount of additional traffic' would ruin the peace of the private lane and warned that the value of their multi-million-pound properties would plummet.
The families 'would not be welcome', they said, and their arrival could 'destroy the character' of the area.
Every single person who as complained should be named and shamed .
They should be deeply ashamed of themselves our soldiers fight for queen and country and this is the way in which our soldier's and there familys are treated .
I expect not one person as served in the armed forces who is complaining .
The people who are complaining may have the money to buy material things to keep them happy .
But the one thing our soldiers and their family have is love and respect from the british public ,which is one thing that these people wont be getting .
I have never heard such narrow minded opinions from people in my life .
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:51 am
"Oil executive", how frickin ironic! Maybe some Terrs will get the wrong address.................
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:59 am
Sad to say there was pretty much the same NIMBY response to a planning proposal to turn a large and very run down house a few streets away from the Blogg homestead into a retirement home: extra traffic, noise, disruption, loss of amenity, anything they could possibly think. All BS of course.
Reality was the residents did not like the concept old people wandering around their particular little bit of leafy suburbia. Heavens above, might do something inappropriate like talk to us.
Council threw out all the objections as having no merit. Hope they will do the same in this case.
Reality was the residents did not like the concept old people wandering around their particular little bit of leafy suburbia. Heavens above, might do something inappropriate like talk to us.
Council threw out all the objections as having no merit. Hope they will do the same in this case.
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:05 am
My email to the Residents' Association:
I will post any reply.
Incidentally, having been a local councillor and sat on planning committees, I suspect that without some evidence of the claimed disruption, the objections will fail. Even if the local council turn the application down, it will be the professional planning officers who will advise on the ultimate decision, and their advice will be based upon a legal view, not an emotional one.
Quote:
Dear Sir
I am writing in connection with a story that appeared in the Daily Mail of even date.
I note that the Mail names the Chairman of the Ashtead Residents' Association as David Webb, and your website says the chairman is Paul Le Versha - are there two Residents' Associations, or is one or other source inaccurate?
Whilst I am aware that newspapers regularly sensationalise the most trivial story, I found the reported comments exceptionally distasteful, and would be grateful if you could clarify the Association's viewpoint.
As one who has served in the armed forces, and now works in military medical welfare, I am very aware of the need to support the wounded, and in my view the most salient (but unreported) part of this story is that a charity should find it necessary to source a property locally because the MOD has failed, over many years, to provide facilities for visitors on site or nearby. The ire of Ashtead residents would be better directed at the politicians and civil servants who have failed our service personnel so badly.
I visited Headley Court in June, and was immensely impressed not only by the facilities, but by the staff, who provide a world class service. However, it is the patients for whom most of my admiration and pride is reserved. These young people have suffered life-changing injuries, and face the consequences with a resolve that is truly humbling to see. To have such a place and such people in your locality is something that Ashtead residents should be proud of; to make our wounded service personnel and their families welcome should be seen as a privilege, not a burden.
Finally, Headley Court has been a military medical rehabilitation unit for many years, and its existence and the comings and goings associated with it do not appear to have affected the decision to buy or house value of any resident who bought a property after the Second World War; I am at a loss to understand why anyone would think that the current proposal regarding one house will make such a difference.
I look forward to hearing from you.
I am writing in connection with a story that appeared in the Daily Mail of even date.
I note that the Mail names the Chairman of the Ashtead Residents' Association as David Webb, and your website says the chairman is Paul Le Versha - are there two Residents' Associations, or is one or other source inaccurate?
Whilst I am aware that newspapers regularly sensationalise the most trivial story, I found the reported comments exceptionally distasteful, and would be grateful if you could clarify the Association's viewpoint.
As one who has served in the armed forces, and now works in military medical welfare, I am very aware of the need to support the wounded, and in my view the most salient (but unreported) part of this story is that a charity should find it necessary to source a property locally because the MOD has failed, over many years, to provide facilities for visitors on site or nearby. The ire of Ashtead residents would be better directed at the politicians and civil servants who have failed our service personnel so badly.
I visited Headley Court in June, and was immensely impressed not only by the facilities, but by the staff, who provide a world class service. However, it is the patients for whom most of my admiration and pride is reserved. These young people have suffered life-changing injuries, and face the consequences with a resolve that is truly humbling to see. To have such a place and such people in your locality is something that Ashtead residents should be proud of; to make our wounded service personnel and their families welcome should be seen as a privilege, not a burden.
Finally, Headley Court has been a military medical rehabilitation unit for many years, and its existence and the comings and goings associated with it do not appear to have affected the decision to buy or house value of any resident who bought a property after the Second World War; I am at a loss to understand why anyone would think that the current proposal regarding one house will make such a difference.
I look forward to hearing from you.
I will post any reply.
Incidentally, having been a local councillor and sat on planning committees, I suspect that without some evidence of the claimed disruption, the objections will fail. Even if the local council turn the application down, it will be the professional planning officers who will advise on the ultimate decision, and their advice will be based upon a legal view, not an emotional one.
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:13 am
Very good letter Farmboy.
As Victorian Major has already said, could we keep one foot on the ground here? Until a reply is received from Ashtead Resident's association , we don't kow what the actual position is.
I don't regard The Daily Mail as reliable either , and I would like to see what the actual story is before people go ranting off at the hip.
In the first instance, polite letters from our better correspondents , which ask for more details on this from Ashtead would be a good way to go. If the replies could be posted here , then we can decide how best to proceed.
Unfortunately, I know the area having grown up near there , and it's not beyond the bounds of possibility.
It would be surprising though , given the number of Ex-Forces people that used to be resident there.
Edited to add .... Cracking letter VB
As Victorian Major has already said, could we keep one foot on the ground here? Until a reply is received from Ashtead Resident's association , we don't kow what the actual position is.
I don't regard The Daily Mail as reliable either , and I would like to see what the actual story is before people go ranting off at the hip.
In the first instance, polite letters from our better correspondents , which ask for more details on this from Ashtead would be a good way to go. If the replies could be posted here , then we can decide how best to proceed.
Unfortunately, I know the area having grown up near there , and it's not beyond the bounds of possibility.
It would be surprising though , given the number of Ex-Forces people that used to be resident there.
Edited to add .... Cracking letter VB
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:18 am
I think we should wait for the response to VB - the letter is outstanding, well written and does not get emotional.
Good work, VB!
Good work, VB!
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:30 am
Further information.
www.molevalley.gov.uk
The application is Planning Application Reference: MO/2007/0863
Ward :Ashtead Park
Main Location: Millcroft, 36, Grays Lane, Ashtead, Surrey, KT21 1BU
Unfortunately, I can't get into the "Letters of representation" files, to see if the LoR's are from SSAFA , MoD or 'Outraged of Ashtead".
www.molevalley.gov.uk
The application is Planning Application Reference: MO/2007/0863
Ward :Ashtead Park
Main Location: Millcroft, 36, Grays Lane, Ashtead, Surrey, KT21 1BU
Unfortunately, I can't get into the "Letters of representation" files, to see if the LoR's are from SSAFA , MoD or 'Outraged of Ashtead".
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:51 am
Subject to verification of the original story, anyone fancy an ARRSE crawl here?
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:21 am
You can log onto the molevalley site and give your support for this cause. I've just done it.
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:32 am
napier:
Subject to verification of the original story, anyone fancy an ARRSE crawl here?
Subject to verification the first round is on me!
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:36 am
They may find that this gem comes back to bite them! www.molevalley.gov.uk/...cleid=4222
I hope the irony is not lost on the wiser members of Mole Valley council.
I hope the irony is not lost on the wiser members of Mole Valley council.
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Re: Nimby neighbours war with wounded soldiers families
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:36 am
I'll bet that if they were to apply for permission to build a mosque it would be granted immediately.Pompous a**eholes.
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