Let's not forget the Coroner is 'Her Majesties Coronor' a direct agent of the Crown not some jumped up punk making a fuss.

BBC News at 6 - 18:10

I'm sure that it will be repeated at 22:00

One week when they have had the video for 3 years. I believe they (the MoD) should treat the coroner and the families with more respect.

One week when they have had 3 years for it to get mixed up amongst a whole load of dtritus from the war.

The question is - when was it requested by the court?

It's only been about 205 weeks since it happened so i guess one more wont hurt will it?

I presume that a lot of the evidence put before the coroner will be based on an SIB case file. Sad to say they have already had a lot of bad press about their delivery during that period in that theatre. I hope it is an inaccurate represntation. Either way it could hold some interesting questions about who knew about the video and for how long.

As I asked in the post directly above Yours, how long ago did the court request the video

All the evidence should be placed before the Coroner; it is for him to decide upon its relevance.

No, according to reports the Coroner has already seen the video. The issue is whether it can be shown as part of the inquest.

The cockpit video may show what the pilots would have seen when they made the decision to open fire. For all I know, it may be apparent from the video that the Union flags on the vehicles, soldiers waving to show they were friendly, etc, were not readily apparent from the aircraft.

With respect, I am honestly astonished that any members of this website should be arguing so strenuously against evidence being admitted in such an inquest. Or even arguing that no inquests should be held!? Most of us fully understand that blue-on-blues do happen.

Last time i was involved in a CAST any Blue on Blue incedent had to be repoerted, an incedent report had to be raised due to the new rules over liability. Isnt this the same type of thing then?

You'd be surprised at the authority of the Coroner.

With respect, having reviewed my posts I don't think that I have argued anywhere that the video shouldn't be shown, only that it isn't the only evidence of a blue on blue.

As to inquests of soldiers dying in war, I am not convinced of the necessity of it or what they hope to acheive. The only result of a person inexperienced in military operations making judgment on those who died in them can only result in verdicts like that of Terry Lloyd, where the coroner involved seemingly knew nothing of the Geneva Conventions

Am I alone (and possibly very, very wrong) in thinking that such inquiries SHOULD be held behind closed doors, at least while the conflict is ongoing?

Most males in my family were wiped out in the 2 world wars, and it seems that to a man they died quick, clean and suitably heroic deaths. This made their mothers/sisters/daughters very proud, and without a doubt reduced their suffering. Also without a doubt, it's codswallop. Is it really helping those close to LCpl Hull to hear how he died wounded and trapped in his burning vehicle? And because of a c*** up?

Of course each such incident is a lesson, and must be investigated to minimise chances of it happening again. But this is a military concern, and the lessons are of importance only to the military.

Can the person responsible at MoD be banged up for contempt?

So a man's life is worth less than a little black box costing a few grand. Planes have em. Why don't AFVs? Can't grunts be trusted with the crypto?

Mind you, it didn't stop the Patriot shooting down the Tornado. Note that the gallant soldier who rescued his comrades received the George Cross rather than an operational award for courage shown in a hostile action. All this to try and avoid bad PR for the Yanks. I bet the A-10 pilot and Patriot operators have gongs aplenty, misdeeds apart.

Sven as many before me have stated you are the most annoying tw*t know to arrrsers, Please note the coroner has the video but is not being allowed to show it or use it in this case. I belive you post on this site just to antagonise and to throw people off the thread. The video was posted to the coroner by whom we do not know. Now F**k Off. Rant over I am calm

Fucck off Yourself

I got this from the Beeb

Note that it says here


And so I say again - fucck off, Tw@t

BP, sadly without publicity nothing changes. If the MoD could close the doors, not embarrass its American allies it most probably would do so. if troops die avoidably then someone should take responsibility for that. The Great Wars were not wars of choice. This one is. And troops have been sent into Afg without sufficient equipment or support. If you want troop deaths to become a passing statistic go right ahead. I have lost mates in recent times and at the very least I want my still serving colleagues to be better protected. I cannot agree with your conclusions.

Let's take this case Nige. Has it already become common knowledge that L/Cpl Hull was killed by American pilots - of course it has. Is it already common knowledge that british vehicles do not have the Americna IFF - again, yes.

What, in this case, is there to cover up and how can some civvie who has never seen the inside of an AFV discover some smoking gun when He doesn't know the first thing about the military

Sven, this civvy pointed out inadequacies in the investigation and conclusion into Sgt Roberts' death. I do not know the first thing about this case but I do know that none of the relatives are offered legal assistance in these inquests. Why is the MoD spending millions of pounds on the finest legal brains around? Sorry mate I lost faith in the MoD years ago. I have been chatting to a coroner today, they are fiercely independent. You discredit them to suggest they are naive civvies.

Nigeglib - Eh? We could have chosen to ignore Belgium/Poland and stayed out of both great wars. Like we could've chosen to ignore Kuwait and stay out of this one.

I do worry about behind closed doors inquiries trying to hush up such incidents for political/propaganda reasons, but I did say behind closed door rather than within the MOD. Panels should be made up of servicemen and coroners, not civil servants. But the family and therefore the press don't need the gruesome details.

What needs changing in the MOD is priorities. Look at the fuss over some mothballed destroyers, how many sailors have died for want of the right kit this last 20 years? The teeth arms are doing the suffering, and as an added smack in the face get to see the other arms buying up kit that the teeth arms don't need. From the political angle, British jobs seem more a consideration than British lives which is a disgrace. So I don't want troop deaths to become a "passing statistic", either?