Nope you have misread the message i was trying to put across.
I am also not saying that you should not have an opinion of what goes onto in this country, but more of trying to explain yourself so i can understand where your politics come from.

I believe the Brits should stay there, they had the chance to hold a referendum, and it was decided to stay British, the people voted and have spoken, so surely as a member of the UK, you should respect there beliefs.

No sorry, the people spoke before partition. They voted for a free United Ireland. SF won 70 odd seats out of 103 or something like that. I'll get the exact figures if you want me to.
As far as I know partition was not on the manifesto of the aforsaid elected members
So think about this with an open mind if you can...
Since then people in Ireland have been fighting to uphold the democratic will of the people.
As long as Ireland holds one person willing to bear arms for a united republic, they have my unconditional support.

yes please i would like the facts and figures. But even you must agree that going about this through violence, such as bombing of innocents suchas Omagh, or even the enniskillen rememberance day bombings, is not the way to achieve this. And while such actions are going on the political partys over there will not get anywhere. The gun to the ballot doesnt work. You know as well as i do that the main message on what was being as you put 'Fought for' and has now turned into a big money making scheme.


So this means you approve of this violence, and the maiming and killing on cold blood of people?

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Obviously I don't approve of violence in the way you describe. At least I've got the honesty to say it.
Did you approve of Bloody Sunday???

there will always be much speculation aboutbloody sunday, and unfortunatly we will never know the full truth about it.
Such specualtion that even mcguiness firing the first shots.
I for one dont believe trained solidiers would go firing at people unless some one had fired at the first!

And you have just contridicted your self

Quote:
As long as Ireland holds one person willing to bear arms for a united republic, they have my unconditional support.

So this means you approve of this violence, and the maiming and killing on cold blood of people?

Obviously I don't approve of violence in the way you describe. At least I've got the honesty to say it.


So in what way do you say , take arms for the struggle, but dont shoot anyone??
Dont blow up kids in parks, , nail bomb innocents out shopping, i would like to know!

Do I really need to spell it out for you?
Jesus H christ!!
They have my unconditional support to bear arms.
No contradiction. As for Omagh, carried by an organisation whom I personally felt as detrimental to the cause... speaks for itself.
Enniskillin was for me the turning point. It was the time that I began to realise that it was all just...
pish.
At the end of the day we still have to address the fact that the island of Ireland is a * nation!!
So then, we are all agreed, United Republic!!

Still being a dullard I see zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

No we are not agreed.

You say they have a right to bear arms, yet if they do this they do become murders, Just because some one is of a different religion doesnt mean they have to die, just for trying to survive in a country where the few narrow minded people think they are fighting for every one, when really even the majority of those in the south whom they are fighting for doesnt even want them.

So yes please spell it out, let us all hear exactly where you stand

You say enniskillin was a turning point for you, you started to realise it was all pish, Bombing of old war vetrans who had gone the war memorial to remeber there fallen mates, so how was this pish for you?? Turning point in whatway, to go over and start your thinking yeah this is great, they are fighting for a cause so sod the innocents they are all targets??

I think all terrorist are cowards, no matter what side they are fighting for , in NI, or else where abroad, And i think the people who support them as you do, have fallen for a so called romantic image of a freedom fighter. When you have really been duped!

Different religion?? Don't you fucken dare lecture me. The republican movement has never been sectarian. It's never been about religion.
* sake when it suits yir suits the ra where all commies an infidels!!!
FFS.
A coward would starve himself to death?
Was he looking for to dip his beak in some parallel universe?
How many Englishmen have done the same???
Fucktards need not reply

Ha ha not only the sites biggest bore but stupid as well.

Why shouldnt i lecture you, you seem to have had all the say so far, but now when we start to get down to it, you go all defensive, and change the subject again, and yes quite a bit of this is about secterianism, if you can remember wasnt some of this trouble started when henry VIII changed relgion?
I have never called the IRA commies, i do call them cowards though, Boddy sands and the rest of them were cowards, they werent all nicey nicey as you make out, like i said you have been duped by the romantic freedom fighter image, you know nothing of he true suffering these cowards/criminals cause to the ordinary public.
You sit back in your arm chairs miles from where it happens, and wave ya little flags when another kid dies, saying' good going boys, thats one less'
When you think you know whats its all about, when really you know nothing.!

Dilzybhoy, are you an Irish republican sympathiser following the quasi-Marxist doctrine of the Original IRA, an idealist who wishes for a culturally united Irish people or are you an Irish nationalist sympathiser regarding territory? There is an enormous difference between arguing that Ireland should be a united state territorially or a united state culturally. Understanding the definition of a nation to be that of cultural identity and the definition of a state being a geo-political entity, I'm trying to understand where your sympathies truly fit and whether it's possible that you're not expressing your beliefs as clearly as you could or maybe that you're merely winding up a target audience with your 'right to bear arms' stance.

Re Plantation & Partition, I'm not as well read on these subjects as I could be, but Home Rule with Partition (policy created and enacted 1912 - 1922) was seen as the only way to give home rule to a majority of largely Catholic Irish nationalists whilst protecting the mainly Protestant loyalists and keeping them tied to Great Britain. Whilst not an ideal policy, as some Protestant loyalists had travelled south & some Catholic nationalists lived in the north, it was the only compromise. I can understand why nationalists still get angry about Plantation, but it took place in the early 1600s, at a time when no-one had liberal-democratic rights! It is nigh-on impossible to reverse that decision now, without removing the now de jure & de facto rights of the people of Ulster to enjoy democracy (inasmuch as the feuding factions will allow). In addition, whilst historically accurate to differentiate the descendents of the plantees from the indigenous Irish, these loyalists have family history in Ireland, running back 400 years, so how can they be seen as interlopers in this day & age of mass global migration?

To close, the Good Friday Agreement was endorsed by an overwhelming majority, one of the terms being that Ireland shall not be one united country without the consent of a majority in Northern Ireland, thus how can you advocate the forcing of the wishes of the few (via bullets and bombs) on the majority who have stated their wishes very plainly, and peacefully, through the ballot box?

The Plantation is a complex topic!

Much spleen is vented at William of Orange. He is much misunderstood, especially by Protestant Loyalists who fixate on the Battle of the Boyne for some bizarre reason. William was only interested in fighting wars on the Continent and had little interest in Ireland. William should be remembered as the first constitutional monarch in modern history, who surrendered (not always willingly) the prerogative powers enjoyed by his predecessor, leading to parliamentary democracy and the establishment of the fiscal system that the UK has now. The Bank of England and the National Debt were all established as a result of this constitutional settlement.

Lord Strafford was the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland during much of the Plantation. He was a brutal oppressor, even by the standards of the time. Ironically he was appointed by Charles I who was extremely pro-Catholic and had a Catholic Queen. Strafford was executed by demand of the parliamentarian faction (including Cromwell) prior to the outbreak of Civil War hostilities. Also, there were 3 "classes" in Ireland at the time - the English, the Irish and the Irish peasantry. Everyone shafted the Irish peasantry (who spoke Irish) and the English and Irish were on relatively good terms until Strafford.

Irish history is extremely complicated - there are many histories of many communities and no one version is completely correct. Also, the clock cannot be wound backwards and whatever settlement is arrived at in Ireland will be different from any past idea of Ireland.

That one statement dildoboy shows what a pathetic tosser you truely are, "it's my mums fault". W*nkers like you go through life blaming everything on everyone else.

So if there was but one person willing to resort to violence, (logically everyone else would be unwilling to do so,) you would give that person unconditional support.

As your support would be, in your own words, unconditional it would not matter therefore how deranged the person was nor how many children were murdered.


You are indeed a very sad individual.

Well said Armourer. As for you Dilzybhoy, it may have been your mothers decision, you may not have been consulted, however, you now have the freedom to do what you want. Why do you not now choose to move over to the province and get yourself down the Rock Bar and make some new friends. I am sure the punters there would be very interested in your views and welcome you with open arms!

If you disapprove of moronic and childish abuse why have you just posted some extremely disgusting pictures on another thread along with massively long, but empty, spam posts?

Just for everyone's information I am a poster over on urban75 and would like to say that a hell of a lot of people there think this guy is a raving moron and do not support terrorist organisations at all.

I am surprised he hasn't been banned from this forum for posting graphic and disgusting images and generally being abusive. He would have been over on urban75 if he had posted what he has here - alhtough maybe he is hoping to be banned because he is losing the argument so badly?

Don’t worry about it, the amount of amusement generated by the illiterate f#ckwit more than makes up for it. After all it is blatantly obvious he doesn’t have a clue, minds you I do wonder if troll baiting ought to become a new Olympic sport.
Imagine the scene, Dilzy steps out, proudly bearing his nations flag, oh sorry, that’s right he doesn’t have a flag he can call his own. Never mind he can join the Irish under their flag… Ooops, wrong again they don’t want to be associated with his sort. Ahh well there’s always the Special Olympics

Sorry chaps, haven't had time to read entire thread

Dlzhymong, fcuk off, or we'll eat your spleen

anyone with his own PIRA loving website is too thick to understand politics

so squelch off and die

cnut

Funny that, dildoboy would get banned on U75 the liberal minded soapdodger site, but here on what many U75's think of as a nazi rightwing baby killers site, there still is the notion of free speech.