I suspect that SASC have come to see themselves these days as the paramilitary wing of the 'Ealth and Safety machine.

Not good.

one way that could help
would never happen due to the total mare that would be entailed.
encourage the lads to take up target shooting a battalion could probalby get a good deal on ammo and weapons

That's not as ridiculous as it sounds. During the '60s the US Army adopted the 'Quick Kill' program, where soldiers were taught rapid, instinctive shooting using Daisy BB guns. After a bit of instruction most soldiers could hit objects the size of a coin thrown into the air. The better ones could hit an asprin.

Now instinctive shooting may not be the answer, but imagine if we had an SA80 replica airgun and each soldier was made to shoot many thousands of pellets at reduced size knock down metal targets, with some good coaching to correct any errors. Imagine what that could do for combat marksmanship!

I've seen video of Israeli snipers doing something similar with balloons.

Imagine what that would do for the G4 chain...

IIRC, the US infantry of the Viet Nam era took 40000 rounds for one kill, snipers used less than 2.

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No doubtng their marksmanship.

A little more attention to RoE is called for, however:
www.abc.net.au/news/st...521350.htm

Only 40000! That's a significant improvement - WW2 estimates put the figure closer to 1,000,000 rounds of SAA per kill, estimated across all allies on the European front 1944-45, IIRC.

Figures prove only that the primary role of small arms in 'conventional' combat is suppressive fire (artillery being the principal tool of slaughter)

£350 please!

Awaits incoming.

A proper .177, not some poofta airsoft toy!

sure something like that made for the same priceish.
although the grown ups would seriously ban them quickly if made no line would be safe
was talking more about real firearms a .22 target shooting could encourage marksmanship and less likely to lead to mayhem.

ask ugly about tregantle and an early airsoft SA80

I wouldn't Imagine it would be too hard to reverse-engineer an Air-gun system to fit within an existing L85 with the internals removed. You could propbably fire .22 pellets down the existing.

Heavy emphasis on probably though!

I wouldn't like to be the guy who has to ask the armourer to re-fit a platoons worth of weapons for an afternoon, then re-fit the proper internals afterwards though.

probably easiers to start with an airsoft copy and put the internals in that.

my stupid idea was to encourage the lads to take up civy target shooting although encouraging a next generation of uglies and dear god no stoat the rifle killer at least torturer my eyes my eyes probably not a godd idea

I have minime as the spawn of Ugly to carry on my good work after I have gone!