I do not want to really come into the discussion and moan...Doom,Doom,we are all doomed..

But in all honesty were fecked when it comes to immigration and asylum as of this point.Even going by the " offical " numbers,we have a crititical mass in immigration/asylum/illegals that there is nothing we as a nation can do about it anymore.

We have no effective border controls,we cannot keep people out and when they do arrive it is proving impossible to remove them..especially when you have the Justice department ruling in favour of Visa abusers because they own a cat!

The asylum ruse is an utter sham

If I was in fear of my life and more importantly my family was at risk....I would move hell and earth to get me and my loved ones as quickly and safely as possible to the nearest port of refuge.

I would not travel across half a dozen perfectly secure nations on my own,leaving my loved ones in harms way to rock up at a particular nation that has international reknown as being paved in gold.....with milk and honey handouts as to the way it treats asylum seekrs etc.

Then when I have got myself settled,got a mobile phone and nice clothes and maybe a cash in hand job,think.......Oh I best send for the rest of the family,or fly out the country that i fled because I feared for my life and get them now.

That is almost a standard blueprint for UK sham asylum seekers,and diverts stretched resources and public sympathy for the real deserving cases.

i've just read through this thread, and cant believe what a shaty kids playground fight this has become. whatching question time the other night- i couldn't believe griffen got off so lightly!! and that was because the questions didnt test him and become 'lets ave ago at griffen time'

firstly - i dont, wont or want to vote BNP but what if i voted BNP? who cares? if thats my choice - then whats it got to do with you?

i didnt vote labour or ever have but they've sent me to iraq and afghan. i agree more with some of the BNP's ideas than thoughs of the present govt - that has deployed me all over the world - but im not that solid to vote for a party that may speak some sence amongst aload of shat.

if men and women are to be deployed - then they should be allowed to vote for who ever they like - becase it is that winning party that will send them.

if your 18 and old enough, wise enough, trusted enough to fight and posible die for your country - then your old enough, wise enough, trusted enough to vote for who ever you want.

thats called democary - thats what we're meant to fighting for??

Fine, but I think that he is a pillock that uses the racist retort as a knee jerk reaction. I am anti BNP, but they have right to free speach, until they incite violence.

Unless Labour do it first.

You're correct: entirely your choice and no-one else's business.

However, given that Griffin went on TV and stated that almost all of the Army supported the BNP, is it not worth taking a quick poll (not that the site speaks for the entire Army of course) to gauge the level of support?

Hearteningly, the seems to correspond with the national average with about 5 - 6% support and pre-empts any 'squaddie website overwhelmingly support BNP' sensationalism and allows us to have a reasonably grown-up debate.

just 1 on FJ's pic - i take it some of you most know the german paratrooper personally and his policial views - to call him a nazi paratrooper?

just if there's an iraq inquest - and we find out that the 2003 invation of iraq was illegal - and the then govt is held responable - tech that makes them war criminals - does that make me a labour war criminal paratrooper? cos i dont vote for them, or believe them - but i was there???

They-Stood-in-the-door

Do not want to worry you mate about the war crimes thing,but considering all the human rights crap that the government have signed up to......you might want to look for an alibi for those 6 months or more you were out there.

Chin,Chin....wouldnt worry too much,the government always looks after its boys.

FFS! Grow up! Who is calling FSJ a Nazi? If you bothered to count you would only need to take 1 glove off. And that "1" is an idiot.

Calm down, carry on.

fair one - reasonable - possibly, grown up - never.

i once got told - never ask some one about religon or politics!

With another 12% thinking about it.

So (if the poll is realistic) thats approx 6000 members of the army voting for the BNP and and another 12000 who might. Which is strange because when I joined up most young soldiers couldn't care less about voting for anyone, Something must have made them change their minds.

Whether you vote for the policies, the person or as a protest against the big parties. I challenge anyone to vote for someone (Griffin) who thrusts himself into the limelight, fails to prepare or rehearse. Laughs when challenged on serious and truthful questions of race, calls homosexuals "Creepy"and denies the holocaust! Cannot answer the a question from a 17 year old boy and quite frankly gets put on the rack by Jack Straw, seriously!!!!

I thought they went easy on him! Imagine him in front of a panel of squaddies along the split of the vote done today!!

He didnt go on Question Time to win. he went to lose, whinge and wine and garner sympathy and further support for his second rate collection bunch of loney pals.

I am glad we live in the UK cause people like him may get some support but, the majority of us would never vote for that individual!!

The majority of us don't have to. Labour won the last election with 22% of the vote. Given some surveys the BNP are already well above that.

While I wouldn't vote BNP, the whole immigration systems is a massive concern. However, I'd rather see a shake up (proper one) of the welfare system.

It's not about racism, we have our own home grown 3rd generation spongers to sort out too.

if we got a grip and had a benefits overhaul to apply to everyone(UK Citizens as well as non UK citizens, instantly this country would less attractive to those who seek to abuse its generosity. (And the home grown workshy nobs would be given a kick up the arrse too).

That said..if for some ridiculous reason the Tories didn't win..then who the hell is left to vote for?

I'm beginning to think that if there was a New Party, which didn't restrict membership to whites but had pride of Nationality, hard line immigration, terrorism, extremism and welfare polices, and were seriously old fashioned in terms of crime and punishment, they'd win the next election doing fucking hand stands.

Edited to add: And had the bottle to shout it from the rooftops.

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yip, and if they could stand up and be clear on their policies it would be a no contest. BUT...... with the media 'controlled' by labout / conservatives.... there's little chance. UNLESS ofcourse... someone did what the original goozestapper did and travel the length and breadth of the country giving speeched and raising their profile and appealling to the newly unemployed etc.... been done before.... in the 1930's to some pretty good effect....

Yep. I suppose it must be quite hard to get a party up and running to the stage where people take notice. I am frankly amazed there aren't any parties like you portray above.

In all honesty, who gives an actual shite what anyone has as an avatar?

A small piccy does not make a racist or whatever, and yet you feel the need to bring it up as a major selling point to a reply?

I can only assume you didnt always land on your feet, ffs.

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Yep. I suppose it must be quite hard to get a party up and running to the stage where people take notice. I am frankly amazed there aren't any parties like you portray above.quote]

Younger people are being more and more brainwashed I reckon.

I'm so depressed with it, I'm logging off and getting seriously shitfaced for the first time in a long time.

Why a new party? That's what the Tories used to stand for.

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Younger people don't give a sh1t, they are too busy following "celebs" to care. Apathy rules.