The Army Rumour Service
Forum Index The Intelligence Cell

Reply to topicReply to topic

Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:20 am

Hi guys, irrelevant I know but does ANYONE have any idea what this is on Major Shape during Sharpes Justice, seems to be a form of DPM poncho or cloak?

I was under the impression the only form of camoflage riflemen used in that era they were famed for was their rifle green uniform (beg my history lesson from a green jacket) Very Happy
  • untitled.jpg
  • Description:
  • Filesize: 38.45 KB
  • Viewed: 168 Time(s)
  • untitled.jpg

  • untitled.jpg
  • Description:
  • Filesize: 56.84 KB
  • Viewed: 63 Time(s)
  • untitled.jpg

wildcard.rgbw
LE (MIA)
 
Posts: 556
Joined: Feb 27, 2009
Location: London
View user's profile
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:26 am

Its a civvy Coachmans coat, sometimes also called a drovers coat, used in 17th/18th/19th centuary by outdoor workers and is the forefather of the modern Barber and Australian stockmans coat, made out of waxed cotten, it.s not camo, it's just wellworn and dirty, ueualy worn with a low crowned wide brimed hat not unlike a Stetson

Last edited by tropper66 on Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:28 am; edited 1 time in total

tropper66
LE
 
Posts: 5607
Joined: Nov 01, 2008
Location: cardiff
View user's profile Send e-mail
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:26 am

How the fcuk did you know that???

Fallschirmjager
LE (MIA)
 
Posts: 5706
Joined: Feb 18, 2006
Location: TQ74801549
View user's profile
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:30 am

Is it a 'coat'?

I think I've got one.






I'll get it now Clap

Last edited by BoomShackerLacker on Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:31 am; edited 1 time in total

BoomShackerLacker
LE (GCM, MIA)
 
Posts: 2696
Joined: Sep 03, 2006
Location: Throwing stones at the crystal palace
View user's profile
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:30 am

Cheers for that tropper, mind you Sharpe does look quite ally in it Smile

wildcard.rgbw
LE (MIA)
 
Posts: 556
Joined: Feb 27, 2009
Location: London
View user's profile
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:33 am

I always thought it was dirty
Is that the episode where he comes back to Blighty to bash uppity peasants

the_boy_syrup
LE
 
Posts: 4630
Joined: Feb 20, 2006
View user's profile
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:34 am

Yes it is, not in my top 3 however

wildcard.rgbw
LE (MIA)
 
Posts: 556
Joined: Feb 27, 2009
Location: London
View user's profile
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:37 am

I own one , only it's Gortex, the waxed cotten one's weigh about half a ton when wet

tropper66
LE
 
Posts: 5607
Joined: Nov 01, 2008
Location: cardiff
View user's profile Send e-mail
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:51 am

Fallschirmjager:
How the fcuk did you know that???

Before the Railway, all cattle were driven to market by "Drovers" from all over the UK. But in Wales there still are a number of droving roads which are very wide lanes to allow the driving of large numbers of cattle, sheep, and even ducks and geese. The coats died out a bit as there was no need for them ,but the Trench coat of the First World War is very alike but much shorter. In Australia they still used them as they still did droving on foot and horse back untill modern times. You can still get them in any good country clothing shop

tropper66
LE
 
Posts: 5607
Joined: Nov 01, 2008
Location: cardiff
View user's profile Send e-mail
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:51 am

tropper66:
I own one , only it's Gortex, the waxed cotten one's weigh about half a ton when wet



You're not wrong. I've got a waxed cotton Barbour Stockman coat complete with storm cape and so on. Once wet they do tend to gain a few pounds. Keep you bone dry though.

Sixty
Moderator (ADC,MIA)
Newsletter Writer
 
Posts: 5968
Joined: Jun 28, 2005
Location: Sitting on the Diphda choke.
View user's profile
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:58 am

Sixty:
tropper66:
I own one , only it's Gortex, the waxed cotten one's weigh about half a ton when wet



You're not wrong. I've got a waxed cotton Barbour Stockman coat complete with storm cape and so on. Once wet they do tend to gain a few pounds. Keep you bone dry though.

My advice, iff anyone should want one, is to go to your local county show there are some realy good deals to be had there

tropper66
LE
 
Posts: 5607
Joined: Nov 01, 2008
Location: cardiff
View user's profile Send e-mail
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:05 am

I look much better in a hauberk to be honest.

Fallschirmjager
LE (MIA)
 
Posts: 5706
Joined: Feb 18, 2006
Location: TQ74801549
View user's profile
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:05 am

Sixty:
tropper66:
I own one , only it's Gortex, the waxed cotten one's weigh about half a ton when wet

You're not wrong. I've got a waxed cotton Barbour Stockman coat complete with storm cape and so on. Once wet they do tend to gain a few pounds. Keep you bone dry though.
Hence their name down under: Drizabone

para_medic
LE (MIA)
 
Posts: 2240
Joined: Aug 12, 2008
View user's profile
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:24 am

It was also known as an Ulster for some reason.

Poacher
LE (MIA)
 
Posts: 540
Joined: Nov 03, 2003
Location: On the last freedom moped out of nowhere city.
View user's profile MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:25 am

i used to wear a wax jacket on hill top sites. Kept it on a hook (made of welding rod) by the back of the 9x9/iso/corrimec. Kept me snug and warm when going for toilets and gene changes....

Obviously the "grown ups" didn't like it, but fcuk 'em they weren't on the top of some hill covered in snow.

The pockets could some mags and other useful stuff too.

chocolate_frog
LE
 
Posts: 11481
Joined: Nov 20, 2004
Location: Up my own ArRSe
View user's profile
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:31 am

Similar items worn in US by cowboys, called Duster coats.Ref.those worn by the bad guys in "Once upon a time in the West".

telecaster
War Hero
 
Posts: 500
Joined: Apr 12, 2008
View user's profile
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:33 am

There are a lot of differant names, and they all have slight differences such as cloth, length, riding ties, length of cape,ect some were made of moleskin,leather, waxed cotten, canvas, corderoy, and wool, and type of buttoning, but I think Sharpe's is a "Coachmans coat"because of the ,triple layer cape

tropper66
LE
 
Posts: 5607
Joined: Nov 01, 2008
Location: cardiff
View user's profile Send e-mail
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:42 am

It's been "dressed down" by the Wardrobe department using aerosol sprays designed for just that purpose. However, because of the way they've done it it doesn't look like a natural pattern of dirt accumulation and so looks mottled rather like DPM.

EX_STAB
LE
 
Posts: 9365
Joined: Nov 27, 2006
Location: In a priapic miasma
View user's profile
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:01 pm

These were also made of some sort of rubberised cotton ( a Glasgow manufacturer was one producer of the 1950's and earlier) for police forces around the UK - and probably for export. Some versions had arm holes rather than sleeves and came in long and short styles in a form of cape with crossbelts so that they could be worn "off the shoulder". The similarity was in the extra shoulder protection or "cape", designed to run the water away from the bottom and from running into the legs and feet.
The Glasgow manufacturer was McLennan (or something like this?). They were actually very practical. Does anyone know if they still make these?

Punch
Old Salt
 
Posts: 377
Joined: Nov 15, 2008
View user's profile
Reply to topicReply to topic

Re: Anyone have any idea what this is on Sharpe?

Post Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:16 pm

My version. Ally as fuck (in my own head) but less dirty and weather-beaten:


Sixty
Moderator (ADC,MIA)
Newsletter Writer
 
Posts: 5968
Joined: Jun 28, 2005
Location: Sitting on the Diphda choke.
View user's profile
Page 1 of 2
P: 1, 2  >

Jump to:  

Display posts from previous:   




All times are GMT




Colour my ARRSE:   
 | Home  | Sitemap  | Search  | Last 50  | Complain  | Contact  | Advertise  | Help!  | Kit Shop  | Navy Net  | Rear Party  | Jobs  | Yr Acct/Login  | Join ARRSE