Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:05 am
it's because they don't have much of it, so thier trying to make what they do have seem as good as possible.

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:08 am
it's because they don't have much of it, so thier trying to make what they do have seem as good as possible.
A bit like a balding chap going with a comb over then?

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:08 am
and what about that Yank on the motorbike obtruded into The Great Escape ..
The irritating thing is that there were some honourable Yanks who came and signed up before Roosevelt belatedly (with a slight prod from the Japs) got his act together. For instance, try & get hold of a copy of 'Yankee RN' or see the plaque in the corner of the deck in the Painted Hall at Greenwich. Also, there was a Yank in the Catalina that made a crucial sighting of the Bismarck in the Atlantic in May 1941.

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:14 am
There were in fact thousands of American troops in Burma
The USarmy QM Corps
The AVG
The Air Commando
The US Army Air Corp
The Long Range Penatration Regiment, (Merrill's Marauders)
see "Defeat into Victory" Field Marshal Viscount Slim

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:17 am

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:20 am
Fcuk - you just broke my Sarcasm-Meter!

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:22 am
...really. Never seen 'The Big Red One'?.
Edit: As already mentioned. Just read the whole thread.

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:25 am
There were in fact thousands of American troops in Burma
The USarmy QM Corps
The AVG
The Air Commando
The US Army Air Corp
The Long Range Penatration Regiment, (Merrill's Marauders)
see "Defeat into Victory" Field Marshal Viscount Slim
Another real good read is "The Generals, from victory to Defeat"by Robert Layman, gives a good insight into the FarEast war on both sides, the bits about the Japs are realy interesting

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:28 am

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:29 am

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:35 am
Seconded. Not even uber-posh totty Kate Bekinsdale could make it worth watching...

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:37 am
I believe the American Navy said something similar, round about 3pm on the 7th. May well have been stronger words, actually.

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:43 am
I believe the American Navy said something similar, round about 3pm on the 7th. May well have been stronger words, actually.
The Yanks could have bombed Tokyo on the next day, from the Phillipines, if Mac Arthur had not been such a prat, they had a fare few B17s there but they allowed the Japs to take ths initiative.

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:45 am
Seconded. Not even uber-posh totty Kate Bekinsdale could make it worth watching...
Yum yum, Kate....... must watch the Underworld DVD's again just for that black PVC body suit.....

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:53 am
I'll start with Bravo Two Zero, mainly all that gung-honess, ie. way they pepperpot forwards at 2 heavily armoured troops carriers.
WTF would you know?
There were you?

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:16 am
It's briefly portrayed at the beginning of Patton but, of course, the defeat was the fault of the "British" commander and lack of British air support.
Also portrayed I think...in the 1980 lee marvin film 'The Big Red One'...anyway that's all of no consequence...its big in 'Medal of Honour' and as I slot all the 'Boxheads' its a win win all round...

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:28 am
The blurb on the back did say it was a Vietnam war film but the US soldier in the picture on the front of the box was carrying a WW2 vintage M1 carbine, while the helicopter whizzing past in the background was a Blackhawk FFS!
Thought I'd give that a miss and treated myself to a copy of MASH instead...
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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:51 pm
There were in fact thousands of American troops in Burma
The USarmy QM Corps
The AVG
The Air Commando
The US Army Air Corp
The Long Range Penatration Regiment, (Merrill's Marauders)
see "Defeat into Victory" Field Marshal Viscount Slim
They certainly were there but in the same way the British Pacific fleet was 'there' at the end of the war. The Yanks did all the work in the latter but were also-rans in the Burma War.
We (the Generals) did queer things a bit, by miss using the chindits, once Wingate was killed though

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:41 pm
They certainly were there but in the same way the British Pacific fleet was 'there' at the end of the war. The Yanks did all the work in the latter but were also-rans in the Burma War.
We (the Generals) did queer things a bit, by miss using the chindits, once Wingate was killed though
The Septics are not alone in nationalistic war flick narcissism. I can't recall a British or Australian WWII far East movie that fully acknowledge that Indians did a lot of hard of the fighting. Or for that matter Canadians and Poles in the Western theater. The Poles pop up occasionally but more as ethnic color than major actors. Russians and Chinese rarely get an even shake despite doing most of the dying.
As to drivel: What's that one where yerman Owen Wilson ditches in Serbia and solves all the problems of the Balkans???
A little historical accuracy would be nice. It might be a change to the Allies (heroically) getting their arses handed to them by Eastern front seasoned Wehrmacht troops in France while the population get slaughtered in crossfire.
Incidentally I recommend The Boys Crusade to anyone with Band Of Brothers type delusions about the greatest generations martial qualities. Brave they were but mostly under trained, often badly led and out matched by the enemy.

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Re: Worst non-fiction war film
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:52 pm
They certainly were there but in the same way the British Pacific fleet was 'there' at the end of the war. The Yanks did all the work in the latter but were also-rans in the Burma War.
We (the Generals) did queer things a bit, by miss using the chindits, once Wingate was killed though
The Septics are not alone in nationalistic war flick narcissism. I can't recall a British or Australian WWII far East movie that fully acknowledge that Indians did a lot of hard of the fighting. Or for that matter Canadians and Poles in the Western theater. The Poles pop up occasionally but more as ethnic color than major actors. Russians and Chinese rarely get an even shake despite doing most of the dying.
As to drivel: What's that one where yerman Owen Wilson ditches in Serbia and solves all the problems of the Balkans???
A little historical accuracy would be nice. It might be a change to the Allies (heroically) getting their arses handed to them by Eastern front seasoned Wehrmacht troops in France while the population get slaughtered in crossfire.
Incidentally I recommend The Boys Crusade to anyone with Band Of Brothers type delusions about the greatest generations martial qualities. Brave they were but mostly under trained, often badly led and out matched by the enemy.
VERY true about the Indian troops, they were just ethnic add-ons in ours as well despite being the massive bulk of the army. 3rd army still got the sh1t end of the stick regards publicity though and the Chindits were rock hard. No films of them at all as I remember!

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