What are you saying here?
That you don't believe him or it serves him right?
He is only stating what is happening at his unit, it may not be happening all over the army, unless you were at the same unit how can you say it has changed so much since 2005?Attitudes like yours are helping the BNP, when are you going to see that?

I'm not saying I don't believe Stacker, nor am I saying it serves him right. It seems that he is laying the blame with the wrong people - if the management make a decision, such as it is ok for somebody to pray as according to their faith, in what way is it logical to blame the individual?

Although my troop had people from all over the Commonwealth and I can't say I witnessed/heard of any of them ever trying to play the race card.

He is not blaming the individual, he has stated this on many an occasion, do you read what is not there or is it selective reading?

Ok, so why do the majority of his posts and problems seem to revolve around Muslims, African Soldiers etc - that suggests to methat he does have a problem with ethnicity. Maybe you have difficulty in assimilating information and facts, unless they are explicitly stated?

Well, it happens and I've personally witnessed it.

I've worked with Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists and probably others that I've never even heard of, but I've never seen them wander off whenever they feel like it any more than I've seen white soldiers do it. If they're not on something operationally important and want an hour off for prayers, why not let them? It's not like the white/British/Christian (however you want to describe them) lads don't look for any excuse they can find to get back to their rooms instead of sweeping the hangar again.

You try telling Pte Bloggs that he can't go on Army Dog Fondling because he's on exercise that week and see how long it is until you get a phone call from General Cholmley-Warner, head of Army Dog Fondling, telling you that Pte Bloggs will be going on his week of canine touching and you can wind your neck in.

Well that not my experience in the army now. (it was when I first joined up)


It wasn't me, it was several other soldiers and yes they did ask and they were told it was because they were British they were not entitled (RAO words). What a great way to show how intergrated we are.

I would have taken that up the CoC especially as it was causing ill-feeling towards the recipients of the free stamps. To be legal the Army can't, by law do it on an exclusive basis, it has to be done on an all those with family abroad basis.

He did indeed get away with things because people were wary about approching him and him playing the race card again. He wasn't alone in doing it. It wasn't so much that he was doing it, t was more the fact the army refused to do anything about it.

If you were in charge of him and you let him get away with it that is up to you. Perhaps you should ask the Ed wallahs for a man management course?

I don't see Christians getting time of work to go to church in my unit(not that they should anyway) in my unit. NO-ONE should be treated differently, but Muslims (and other minorities do) certainly do. It didn't matter that Christians stagged on over Christmas (quite right as well) but it did matter that the Muslims were working over their religious period (Nev or eve or something like that).I would have got the lads together and suggested that the non-Christians cover Christmas and the Christians cover Eed-al-Fitr if there was any reluctance then I would try to establish the basis for that reluctance.
Think about this two toms are both working one non muslim and and a muslim, the Muslim disaapears 3 time during the working day to pray while the other soldier continues, Is this fair? Why can't the other soldier get a break at the same time? When I asked this as I thought the other soldier needed a rest I was told because hes not a Muslim.
Then people wonder why that soldier gets the hump with Muslims.

Ok, so why do the majority of his posts and problems seem to revolve around Muslims, African Soldiers etc - that suggests to methat he does have a problem with ethnicity. Maybe you have difficulty in assimilating information and facts, unless they are explicitly stated?

Jagman writes a lot of good sense and has my full support in what he says. The fact is that no country can absorb 440 million people overnight which is what being in the EU means as they all have the legal right to live here. This is nothing to do with race, religion or colour. It is simply a matter of common sense and numbers of people that can be assimilated within the community.
Furthermore, it does not appear to be recognised that the EU is going to take over immigration policy and the EU will decide how many asylum seekers, foreign immigrants etc will have to come to the UK. I firmly believe that genuinine asylum seekers should be given a new start in the UK, but the rules say that they should be offered asylum in the first safe country they enter. The EU will then have he power to send as many as they want to the UK. As Jagman rightly points out, the election of two BNP members to the European parliament should concentrate the minds of our politicians into re-assessing immigration policy. Unfortunately they may be unable to do a thing about it as the EU will decide everthing in any event.
It is another fact that by allowing 460 million Europeans to live in the UK we are positively discriminating against our Commonwealth cousins from being allowed to live here in favour of Europeans to whom we owe nothing and who owe us (the USA and the Commonwealth as well) everything.
The BNP racial policy is abhorrent. During the last war the Indian Army of 1 Million volunteers was (I believe) the largest volunteer army ever raised. We owe them, not Romanians, Bulgarians Moldavians etc., etc.

Not make money but the amount we spend on asylum seekers is sponsored by the EU, we don't bear the full brunt of the costs. Anyone who buys anything in this country helps the economy.

Sorry forgot link:

Promised land? No, promised linky.

I would have taken that up the CoC especially as it was causing ill-feeling towards the recipients of the free stamps. To be legal the Army can't, by law do it on an exclusive basis, it has to be done on an all those with family abroad basis.

If you were in charge of him and you let him get away with it that is up to you. Perhaps you should ask the Ed wallahs for a man management course?

I would have got the lads together and suggested that the non-Christians cover Christmas and the Christians cover Eed-al-Fitr if there was any reluctance then I would try to establish the basis for that reluctance.

Assuming both soldiers were on routine tasks I would have told the non-Muslims to take a fag break or get a brew on, if there was important work to be done I'd stagger it, I wouldn't ask anyone's permission, that's what my rank is for.

What are you saying here?
That you don't believe him or it serves him right?
He is only stating what is happening at his unit, it may not be happening all over the army, unless you were at the same unit how can you say it has changed so much since 2005?
Attitudes like yours are helping the BNP, when are you going to see that?

Anyway MIT, I have stated why I voted BNP and if nothing changes I will be voting BNP at the GE too, but to say that the BNP will not withdraw from the EU despite what they say, how do you come to this, it seems you are taking some of what they say at face value (all the bad bits) and then saying that some of the other bits they wont do, you cant have it both ways.

Funnily enough he hasn't stated one thing that has directly affected him, it is all about stuff happening to other lads and yet I don't see them on here backing him up. Every argument that Stacker puts forward seems to be about race and he talks more about 'they' than he does the Army hierarchy. How does Stacker's Army experience lead him to believe that we should withdraw from the EU. Most of his problems appear to be resentment of other soldiers possibly getting more out of soldiering than he is.
Lobster just said he didn't find massive problems when he was in and was amazed the Army had changed so much in such a short time, surely he has the right to his experience or memory? It's attitudes like yours that makes so many people vote Labour. (the last para definitely tongue in cheek - I would vote for BNP before I'd vote Labour and I do know I'll definitely never vote Labour again.)

Funnily enough he hasn't stated one thing that has directly affected him, it is all about stuff happening to other lads and yet I don't see them on here backing him up. Every argument that Stacker puts forward seems to be about race and he talks more about 'they' than he does the Army hierarchy. How does Stacker's Army experience lead him to believe that we should withdraw from the EU. Most of his problems appear to be resentment of other soldiers possibly getting more out of soldiering than he is.
Lobster just said he didn't find massive problems when he was in and was amazed the Army had changed so much in such a short time, surely he has the right to his experience or memory? It's attitudes like yours that makes so many people vote Labour. (the last para definitely tongue in cheek - I would vote for BNP before I'd vote Labour and I do know I'll definitely never vote Labour again.)

Methinks stacker1, your band of merry men and gals is not so merry nor harmonious. It seems you have a lot of intolerance and ignorance bubbling under the surface in your unit.

Still, I'm sure a solid, tolerant chap like you will keep calm and not rock the boat by spreading deliberate mischief and causing unnecessary trouble, will you?

Stacker1, how long have you been in the Army? I ask this because you say that when you joined things were a lot different and I just wondered what the time frame was.

If he does believe the bolded above then goes on to say if you don't like it leave, what does that make him? I think you will know where I am going with this and I do not think lobby is racist but if the cap fits.
He does have his right to his experiences or memories, but above he is accepting that what stacker says happens then to go on and say accept or leave is wrong.

No one should have to suffer discrimination. If Stacker was in my section and he told me he is an out and out racist I would tell him that he must suppress his racism and not let it get in the way of his job. Equally I would ensure that no one picked on him because he is a racist as long as he didn't bring his racism to work. Anyone can be who they want to be (as long as it is legal) in there own time, in Army time they do as they are told.