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Just proves that Information Securityis a joke I'm afraid
Anyway who cares if this stuff goes missing? Where are the headlines showing how it has been misused, er, nowhere. Like Infosec it is all p1ss and wind.
Just proves that Information Securityis a joke I'm afraid
Anyway who cares if this stuff goes missing? Where are the headlines showing how it has been misused, er, nowhere. Like Infosec it is all p1ss and wind.
Haven't we been around this one before
Just proves that Information Securityis a joke I'm afraid
Anyway who cares if this stuff goes missing? Where are the headlines showing how it has been misused, er, nowhere. Like Infosec it is all p1ss and wind.
Haven't we been around this one before
My point
Why oh why is these contractors being trusted with such sensitive information its not just military files which have gone missing ,It people's other sensitive information including personal information and medical information in both military and civilian walks of life . These contractors should be accountable for there actions and realise what distress they are causing people .
thats the real problem so much of the public sector is in private company hands now, which is why so much is going missing!
Go back too the Revenues loss of CD's back in the day, they would have been internal mailed by the Revenue internal messengers branch.
bla bla etc etc...
Contracting out! you know it works... 
Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:10 am
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7662604.stm
"An investigation is under way into the disappearance of a computer hard drive containing the personal details of about 100,000 of the Armed Forces.
The information was being held by EDS, which is the Ministry of Defence's main IT contractor.
The MoD said the portable hard drive went missing on Wednesday during a priority audit carried out by EDS."
How damm incompitent can these people get ?
WW
"An investigation is under way into the disappearance of a computer hard drive containing the personal details of about 100,000 of the Armed Forces.
The information was being held by EDS, which is the Ministry of Defence's main IT contractor.
The MoD said the portable hard drive went missing on Wednesday during a priority audit carried out by EDS."
How damm incompitent can these people get ?
WW
wheelchairwarrier
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:42 am
Are there that many still in the Armed forces???
GT2001
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:36 am
this from TimesOnline
Source www.timesonline.co.uk/...916239.ece
Quote:
MoD loses hard drive with troop and family details
Richard Kerbaj
The Ministry of Defence has begun an investigation into its worst information security breach after a portable hard drive with details of about 100,000 servicemen and women and 800,000 applicants to join the Armed Services was found to be missing on Wednesday.
Sensitive details of the family members of personnel were also among the data stored, including bank details and passport numbers.
The portable hard drive — which is believed not to have been encrypted — was used by EDS, the MoD’s main IT contractor, to test computer equipment. It could have been missing for several days.
“The matter is being investigated by MoD police,” an MoD spokeswoman said last night. “We were informed by EDS that it was unable to account for a portable hard drive used in connection with the administration of Armed Forces personnel data. This came to light during a priority audit EDS is conducting to comply with the Cabinet Office data handling review.”
Richard Kerbaj
The Ministry of Defence has begun an investigation into its worst information security breach after a portable hard drive with details of about 100,000 servicemen and women and 800,000 applicants to join the Armed Services was found to be missing on Wednesday.
Sensitive details of the family members of personnel were also among the data stored, including bank details and passport numbers.
The portable hard drive — which is believed not to have been encrypted — was used by EDS, the MoD’s main IT contractor, to test computer equipment. It could have been missing for several days.
“The matter is being investigated by MoD police,” an MoD spokeswoman said last night. “We were informed by EDS that it was unable to account for a portable hard drive used in connection with the administration of Armed Forces personnel data. This came to light during a priority audit EDS is conducting to comply with the Cabinet Office data handling review.”
Source www.timesonline.co.uk/...916239.ece
hackle
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:43 am
800,000 applicants? now THAT has just proved its an insurance scam!
if we were lucky then we would just scrape 100,000 service personnel at best i think!
if we were lucky then we would just scrape 100,000 service personnel at best i think!
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:46 am
Surely after everything that has happened and the massive press coverage about information security, this is a joke
EDS just simply need their contracts terminating immediately and criminal action taken against its directors, no ifs no buts
Unless someone in the public sector is made a very serious example of this is a problem that is not going to go away
EDS just simply need their contracts terminating immediately and criminal action taken against its directors, no ifs no buts
Unless someone in the public sector is made a very serious example of this is a problem that is not going to go away
meridian
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:49 am
My records will be alright; papyrus records have no value whatsoever!
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:57 am
Re the figures. UK regular armed forces (incl trainees) about 187K wef 01 Apr 08. Regular Army about 105K. As to the number of enquiries, there are naturally far more enquiries than actually join.
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:05 am
meridian:
Surely after everything that has happened and the massive press coverage about information security, this is a joke
Just proves that Information Securityis a joke I'm afraid
Anyway who cares if this stuff goes missing? Where are the headlines showing how it has been misused, er, nowhere. Like Infosec it is all p1ss and wind.
western- Posts: 5437
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:10 am
Why has the person who lost the hard drive not been arrested,
Is every person who holds a position of responsability in this Bloody country Stupid...
JESUS BLOODY CHRIST.........
Is every person who holds a position of responsability in this Bloody country Stupid...
JESUS BLOODY CHRIST.........
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:12 am
western:
meridian:
Surely after everything that has happened and the massive press coverage about information security, this is a joke
Just proves that Information Securityis a joke I'm afraid
Anyway who cares if this stuff goes missing? Where are the headlines showing how it has been misused, er, nowhere. Like Infosec it is all p1ss and wind.
Haven't we been around this one before
meridian- Posts: 6692
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:31 am
EDS are losing the contract to Hewlett Packard so the beat of Jungle Drums tell me. Funny how it's come to light now.....
Ubique
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:39 am
They haven't lost it to HP, HP bought them for $13 billion a few months ago.
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:44 am
One would think that an IT provider would be bright enough to have encrypted its' laptop harddrives, anticipating one may go 'missing'.
Regrettably some people are just plain stupid.
Regrettably some people are just plain stupid.
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:51 am
The most worrying aspect of this and other cases of Government data loss is how such a mass of sensitive data comes to be on a portable mass storage device in the first place. How many other copies of databases are knocking around on portable drives, laptops or DVD ROM? Why?
The answer in large part is that none of it matters to the people concerned. Just data they play with.
It has to be made to matter and matter a lot, which means personal sanctions against the muppets concerned and the management chain. Far too easy for contract staff to drift into a badly managed environment and when it all goes tits up drift off again and all the remaining parties can carry on as usual because they can point to "action" having been taken.
The answer in large part is that none of it matters to the people concerned. Just data they play with.
It has to be made to matter and matter a lot, which means personal sanctions against the muppets concerned and the management chain. Far too easy for contract staff to drift into a badly managed environment and when it all goes tits up drift off again and all the remaining parties can carry on as usual because they can point to "action" having been taken.
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:54 am
meridian:
western:
meridian:
Surely after everything that has happened and the massive press coverage about information security, this is a joke
Just proves that Information Securityis a joke I'm afraid
Anyway who cares if this stuff goes missing? Where are the headlines showing how it has been misused, er, nowhere. Like Infosec it is all p1ss and wind.
Haven't we been around this one before
My point
western- Posts: 5437
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:06 am
EDS are still in the running for many future IT projects despite having proven on many occasions that they couldn't organise a nun shoot in a nunnery. Just another example of a company treated as a preferential bidder by government regardless of actual performance.
I'm not worried about this or the loss from Innsworth a couple of weeks ago. If my career to date has taught me anything, it is that information held about me by the MOD is almost always incorrect.
I'm not worried about this or the loss from Innsworth a couple of weeks ago. If my career to date has taught me anything, it is that information held about me by the MOD is almost always incorrect.
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:09 am
What is even more worrying is that these details are only the ones we get to hear about , how many other , perhaps even more serious IT security losses are there that are kept secret ??
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:18 am
wheelchair warrior:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7662604.stm
"An investigation is under way into the disappearance of a computer hard drive containing the personal details of about 100,000 of the Armed Forces.
The information was being held by EDS, which is the Ministry of Defence's main IT contractor.
The MoD said the portable hard drive went missing on Wednesday during a priority audit carried out by EDS."
How damm incompitent can these people get ?
WW
"An investigation is under way into the disappearance of a computer hard drive containing the personal details of about 100,000 of the Armed Forces.
The information was being held by EDS, which is the Ministry of Defence's main IT contractor.
The MoD said the portable hard drive went missing on Wednesday during a priority audit carried out by EDS."
How damm incompitent can these people get ?
WW
Why oh why is these contractors being trusted with such sensitive information its not just military files which have gone missing ,It people's other sensitive information including personal information and medical information in both military and civilian walks of life . These contractors should be accountable for there actions and realise what distress they are causing people .
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:19 am
meridian:
Surely after everything that has happened and the massive press coverage about information security, this is a joke
EDS just simply need their contracts terminating immediately and criminal action taken against its directors, no ifs no buts
Unless someone in the public sector is made a very serious example of this is a problem that is not going to go away
EDS just simply need their contracts terminating immediately and criminal action taken against its directors, no ifs no buts
Unless someone in the public sector is made a very serious example of this is a problem that is not going to go away
thats the real problem so much of the public sector is in private company hands now, which is why so much is going missing!
Go back too the Revenues loss of CD's back in the day, they would have been internal mailed by the Revenue internal messengers branch.
bla bla etc etc...
Contracting out! you know it works...
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Re: Another MoD harddrive missing
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:50 am
Given recent attempts to behead a muslim soldier, I hope these details don't fall into the wrong hands.
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