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Updated rules on communicating with the public and media.

Re: Director General Media Communications

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:50 pm
Author: whitecity
The problem with 2007DIN...
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Edited to add: Bloody 'ell, that was quick!!!

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:52 pm
Author: Mr_Bridger Location: Kilmainham Gaol - Dublin
defenceheadquarters:
The MOD has addressed some of the points raised here:

1. These are not new rules. These or similar have been around for years (Defence Council Instructions in 2004, 1999 and probably earlier). They have been updated this year to reflect the findings of the Hall report (on payment and authorisation of media contacts) and changes in communication technology (the rise of self-publishing on the web etc).


It appears that DGMC and MoD should get its act together..

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk...765903.stm ) :

It found there had been a "collective failure of judgment or an abstention of judgment" within the Ministry of Defence.

Shadow defence secretary Liam Fox said the government's handling of the issue had made "a national embarrassment incomparably worse" and pointed out that it appeared "no-one is to blame at all".

He blamed the government for abolishing uniformed press officers at the MoD in order to "politicise" the press office - something he said was a mistake that the Conservatives would reverse if voted into government

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:58 pm
Author: whitecity
It's good to know that at least one of the 'unaccountable' 1,000 is on to us before the sun has set...

Quote:
New rules for personnel on communicating with the media and speaking in public

The MOD has responded in a discussion on the bulletin board ARRSE and elsewhere concerning a recent update to the rules for Service and MOD civilian personnel on communicating with the media and speaking in public:

1. These are not new rules. These or similar have been around for years (Defence Council Instructions in 2004, 1999 and probably earlier). They have been updated this year to reflect the findings of the Hall report (on payment and authorisation of media contacts) and changes in communication technology (the rise of self-publishing on the web etc).

2. Most public and private organisations of any size – in the UK and elsewhere - have rules on the authorisation processes to be followed before people speak publicly or to the media. Such rules are not unique to MOD.

3. We want people to communicate what they do. But it must be properly authorised – by their boss and, if it is potentially newsworthy, by MOD centrally.

Link

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:30 pm
Author: burnleybootboy Location: seventh level of hell
MoistVelvet:
ishinryu:
FFS People here need to calm down a bit and be a bit more rational... I would suggest that anyone who has a problem with this reads JSP 440, Part 3, Chapter 2, Paragraph 8 and Part 5, Section 2, Chapter 1, Paragraph 11, then read the Official Secret Act 1911-89.

Now now Ish fella, you really shouldnt be discussing defence material in a public forum, I refer you to DIN03-006, it says that you shouldnt be talking about it HERE!

Quote:
At the end of the day the DIN is just the official way of saying "Stop being so bloody selfish and blabbing to the press." Remember the press are not your friends...

Where as the MoD are a caring loving family, who look out for the welfare of the service personnel and not the advancement of their own political careers, yeah right! Shocked

PMSL i just fell off my chair possibly the biggest fairytale/newspaper spin and all the similar that has ever been told.They don,t care never have never will.Oh if you think that i am being somewhat biggoted or overzealous in my reply it would help to read other threads that i have posted. By the way i realise you were being sarcastic Razz

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:44 pm
Author: lsquared
The Bliar type meaningless phrases such as:

Open Government; Freedom of Information,

spring to mind.

Is the DG a 'civvy'?

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:59 pm
Author: Fatbadge Location: Living the Air Support dream. (STILL)
Quote:
3. We want people to communicate what they do. But it must be properly authorised – by their boss and, if it is potentially newsworthy, by MOD centrally.

So there I was.. feeling all glum..

OC Home: 'What's up Fatbadge?'


FB: 'Have you been saying something? What's all this?'


OC Home: 'Dunno What does it say?'


FB: '3. We want people to communicate what they do. But it must be properly authorised – by their boss and, if it is potentially newsworthy, by MOD centrally. ' So that means what exactly OC Home? '


OC Home: 'Well clearly you have to ask me if you want to talk to your mates on ARRSE'


FB: 'So..?'


OC Home: 'So what..?'


FB: 'WELL CAN I GO ON IT THEN? DUUUR!'


OC Home: 'Dont get all gobby with me you fat fk'


FB: 'Sorry.. Well? .. ... Can I please?'


OC Home: 'Well you do sod all interesting at work, do sod all housework and quite frankly it keeps you quiet, so yes, go play on ARRSE with your mates but woe betide you if I find your looking at porn'


FB: 'Okies. ' Boogie


So there you have it. I have clearance. You lot are very naughty and should all apologise to the MOD for not following procedure.

Banned

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:42 pm
Author: Auld-Yin Location: In front of the fire wearing my slippers
piespies:
Auld-Yin:
This could be really interesting for married soldiers.

Just imagine a guy packing his kit and walking out the door. Wife asks "Where the feck are you going then?" Reply, "Sorry love, you are a civvy I can't talk to your about defence matters."


Outstanding. And even if she does ask "what's in the bag?" I'm not allowed to tell her that it contains my overnight kit for a stay at the girlfriend's/rugby kit for a 3 month tour to Thailand/my last victim.

Gleaming.

My thoughts exactly - but I could not comment as I don't know if you is civvy or not ( I is now)

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:56 pm
Author: Auld-Yin Location: In front of the fire wearing my slippers
jim30:
"All toms on the ground are ordered that if approached by the press and they are not to speak to them only to direct them to Media Ops. That order has been around for decades, how is this new DIN so different?"

Because this one effectively bans all members of the forces and MOD from commenting on the internet about anything to do with defence.

I understand where you are coming from J30 but really this is p ish. What it actually means is that we can control the toms, and their junior officers(UTAI half Colonel) but the MOD staff can do what they like - as that seems to be where the main leaks come from.

If a squaddie spilt the beans then they would be hung, drawn and quartered. If a civil servant did similar - they would be moved sideways, probably with a rise in grade to keep their union quiet.

My opinion, and I apologise to the majority of civil servants who actually do a job of work.

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:10 pm
Author: CorbyJock
Wow,

somebody has had a hissy fit to issue this.

I can feel those good gentlemen and ladies at BT being asked to add us, pprune, e-goat and the like to the banned website list, just incase we stray off the straight and narrow and have a quick read whilst at work.

Too late - the genie is out of the bottle and even DGMC won't get this one back in - cnuts

CJ

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:24 pm
Author: Bravo_Bravo Location: Training Wing, 3 MI. ( not really )
@Fatbadge

Top...

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media.

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:24 pm
Author: jim30 Location: Sitting on a comfy chair comparing equivalent ranks...
"If a civil servant did similar - they would be moved sideways, probably with a rise in grade to keep their union quiet."

Really? Care to research about the civil servants recently jailed for spilling the beans -you'll find that CS aren't immune from prosecution!

On a more sad note, if this DIN were applied literally then technically we could no longer hold "RIP" tributes to our fallen comrades as to do so would be to discuss a defence matter without permission from DGMC. Who would like to be the first to ring up and ask permission to post memories of a fallen colleague on the internet?

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:30 pm
Author: Sven
The issue has made the front page of the Guardian. No link yet but there should be one by 01:00

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:35 pm
Author: stinker Location: Somewhere between bl**dy annoyed and p*ssed off.
Can't hold back any longer;

To be perfectly honest with you, you can stuff this DIN up your arsse.

I have never read such a draconian regulation in my life.

The powers that be have got to be on drugs if they think that this can stick. Tell you what, tell my solicitors, I'm sure they'd love to take the contents of this post to court.

The military fights and has fought for the freedom and liberty of this country and I'll be fcuked if a piece of paper produced by a civil servant can prevent this. In effect I could not be prosecuted for posting here as the reason for my prosecution would have to be revealed therefore breaking the DIN.

If you break the covenent between the country and its armed forces that apparently exists, it should be highlighted by every ex and serving member of HMF, in every public forum and the government held to account by the media it seeks to control, and therefore the great British public.

This is a gag order pure and simple, poke it.

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:17 pm
Author: msr
defenceheadquarters:
The MOD has addressed some of the points raised here:

1. These are not new rules. These or similar have been around for years (Defence Council Instructions in 2004, 1999 and probably earlier). They have been updated this year to reflect the findings of the Hall report (on payment and authorisation of media contacts) and changes in communication technology (the rise of self-publishing on the web etc).

2. Most public and private organisations of any size – in the UK and elsewhere - have rules on the authorisation processes to be followed before people speak publicly or to the media. Such rules are not unique to MOD.

3. We want people to communicate what they do. But it must be properly authorised – by their boss and, if it is potentially newsworthy, by MOD centrally.

You can find a copy of this response on the Defence News Blog at www.blogs.mod.uk

So not only to you defy mission command, which pushes freedom of action down to the lowest level, you also fundamentally disagree with the right to freedom of speech - which was one of the things I joined the TA to defend.

msr
P.S. But can you find it on armynet? Thought not.

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:39 pm
Author: halo_jones Location: crayoning like a loonytune all over the darkside
stinker:
Can't hold back any longer;

To be perfectly honest with you, you can stuff this DIN up your arsse.

I have never read such a draconian regulation in my life.

The powers that be have got to be on drugs if they think that this can stick. Tell you what, tell my solicitors, I'm sure they'd love to take the contents of this post to court.

The military fights and has fought for the freedom and liberty of this country and I'll be fcuked if a piece of paper produced by a civil servant can prevent this. In effect I could not be prosecuted for posting here as the reason for my prosecution would have to be revealed therefore breaking the DIN.

If you break the covenent between the country and its armed forces that apparently exists, it should be highlighted by every ex and serving member of HMF, in every public forum and the government held to account by the media it seeks to control, and therefore the great British public.

This is a gag order pure and simple, poke it.

well just whenyou think they cant break the covenent any more or become even more tinpot in the thinking at the top end of the puzzle palaces wizzzo they find a new whezze Mad makes me truly thankful that my service wasnt in vain ........ Mad

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:41 pm
Author: Older_by_the_day
defenceheadquarters:
The MOD has addressed some of the points raised here:

1. These are not new rules. These or similar have been around for years (Defence Council Instructions in 2004, 1999 and probably earlier). They have been updated this year to reflect the findings of the Hall report (on payment and authorisation of media contacts) and changes in communication technology (the rise of self-publishing on the web etc).

2. Most public and private organisations of any size – in the UK and elsewhere - have rules on the authorisation processes to be followed before people speak publicly or to the media. Such rules are not unique to MOD.

3. We want people to communicate what they do. But it must be properly authorised – by their boss and, if it is potentially newsworthy, by MOD centrally.

You can find a copy of this response on the Defence News Blog at www.blogs.mod.uk

Hall report.. where not one person was found to be at fault for the c*ck up over the Iran/Sheffield saga? Nice one!!

Stop buying expensive chairs and renovating offices when the blokes are living in sh*tholes and short of kit!
No matter how much spin you put on things the MOD is an abysmal organisation on many tiers!

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:49 pm
Author: Sven
The afore mentioned Guardian article

MOD Issues Gag Order on Armed Forces


Quote:
Sweeping new guidelines barring military personnel from speaking about their service publicly have been quietly introduced by the Ministry of Defence, the Guardian has learned.

Soldiers, sailors and airforce personnel will not be able to blog, take part in surveys, speak in public, post on bulletin boards, play in multi-player computer games or send text messages or photographs without the permission of a superior if the information they use concerns matters of defence.

........An unofficial soldiers' website, arrse.co.uk, was full of angry debate about the issue yesterday. One poster said: "Why does it not occur to MoD that if it did things properly, and treated its people well, they wouldn't feel the need to bring things into the public arena quite so often, and they wouldn't need to spend so much time covering-up?"

Another suggested that the rules were intended to silence the average "tommy" while senior personnel were free to speak to the media without fear of reprimand. "Every single leak of significant information to the media, certainly in the last six months, has come from the top down. Not the other direction," he said. "Should Cpl Bloggs, or Major Good Bloke in some Platoon House in downtown Helmand-on-Styx complain in a private letter that he hasn't enough ammo to despatch the Queens' enemies, or the RAF really should try harder to deliver it, it's 'March in the guilty B*stard' and 'conduct prejudicial to good order' and discipline and finger-wagging all round."

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:59 pm
Author: Archimedes
I note that the byline for the Grauniad report appears to be that of an Arrse member...

Presumably the PR people pushing this failed to appreciate time spent on recce is seldom wasted and forgot that if the DIN was discussed on here there was a fair chance it would be splashed over the papers as 'MOD gags soldiers'.

I also note:

Quote:
The MoD's director general of media communications, Simon McDowell, denied that the guidelines were a form of censorship or gagging.

"We are trying to give straightforward, clear guidance that is up to date."

Well, Mr McDowell, you could've fooled me....

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:16 pm
Author: Mr_Jones
Quote:
Clearly they have realised that the veracity of everything Ministers say, and MOD's own media people put out, is doubted, and have decided that rather than cleaning up their own act, they'll try to shift the responsibility.

Main reason I wandered onto this site was because I'd stopped believing what was being said officially. Seems like a blatant attempt to hide the facts to me.

Re: Updated rules on communicating with the public and media

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:22 pm
Author: offog Location: at rest
Archimedes:


Well, Mr McDowell, you could've fooled me....

Is that not his job or have I got PR all wrong?

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